Originally Posted by BunkerF16 (Post 2633880)

For you, it's an improvement. I lose money and days off with this TA. It's concessionary. Period, dot.


I'm glad there were many fixes, particularly with some of the pairing constructions and daily credit which helps the junior guys more. I never expected a pay raise out of this, mainly because of the PTOSB. I was fine with that. What I didn't expect was to take a substantial pay cut and have to work 2-3 more days a month.


Add on top of that vacation alllotment, no UTS, PS cliff, bottom of peer pay rates, COLA, should I go on? This is a bottom of the barrel TA which will keep us trailing our peers for the next 5-7 years. And when we got to mediation next time, the mediator is going to say, "Hey, you guys accepted bottom last time, guess where I expect you to accept this time?" Precedence will have been set.


My only hope to finish my career at a real airline with a pilot group that fights for its worth is to hope like hell we merge.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 2633944)

Yeah a merger (maybe that CBA language is important) that will give us a pilot group that fights (EVEN MORE AMONGST ITSELF)

Originally Posted by BunkerF16 (Post 2633989)

At least we'd have a contract to be proud of.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 2633995)

And the language in our current TA would be part of getting that. But who needs merger language when we have PEAs.

I also think there is stuff in this TA that you can be proud of. This we suck stuff and we can’t be proud is getting old. I’m pretty sure you did a bunch of ALPA stuff there is no reason to walk around like eeyore, but it is fun for many here a ”bluejet”

Originally Posted by BunkerF16 (Post 2634002)

We have some merger protection in our PEA right now, especially if it's with another ALPA carrier, but I guess it's better to be scared of the boogie man and hurry up and sign a sub par TA just in case we get bought/oil hits $150 a barrel/economy tanks/etc etc.
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Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 2634062)

Some merger protection...Sounds Good!

Throw the word "scared' around all you like, I get it...It's language you're using for a reason, trying to persuade. I'd rather be called informed and scared than woefully optimistic.

Originally Posted by BunkerF16 (Post 2634002)

We have some merger protection in our PEA right now, especially if it's with another ALPA carrier, but I guess it's better to be scared of the boogie man and hurry up and sign a sub par TA just in case we get bought/oil hits $150 a barrel/economy tanks/etc etc.


There's nothing in this TA that I can look at and say that affects me in a positive way either $, QOL, or just peace of mind. I'd rather live under the PEA for another 1 or 2 than accept this POS for the next 5-7.

Originally Posted by rvr1800 (Post 2634106)

You lose a lot of credibility in my eyes with that second paragraph. You can’t pick out one thing in the TA that you think is positive? Time to take the blinders off. That’s just as reasonable as someone who can’t pick out one bad thing in the TA.

Originally Posted by BunkerF16 (Post 2634002)

We have some merger protection in our PEA right now, especially if it's with another ALPA carrier, but I guess it's better to be scared of the boogie man and hurry up and sign a sub par TA just in case we get bought/oil hits $150 a barrel/economy tanks/etc etc.


There's nothing in this TA that I can look at and say that affects me in a positive way either $, QOL, or just peace of mind. I'd rather live under the PEA for another 1 or 2 than accept this POS for the next 5-7.

Originally Posted by benzoate (Post 2634122)

No we do not. The legal interpretation from ALPA in the beginning made it clear we could not force another carrier to abide by a Pilot Employment Agreement. You are referring to the provisions under McKaskill/Bond.

Should we be purchased, acquired, merged or however you want to term it Jetblue ensured that Section 15 of the PEA would only cover you in the Bluethisfere fantasy land.

The TA scope is what we've always needed. Please do not confuse the two.