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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
(Post 2626274)
So, we should accept a sub standard contract now, when we have a choice and things are good. That way we won't get a substandard contract later?
Genius. If we end up negotiating in a downturn, we could end up with a deal worse than this one. It's an unknown. Some are willing to accept that risk, and some are not. For most people this likely isn't their major factor for yes/no, but if they are middle of the road on the deal, it's likely the thing that pushes them to yes. Make sense? |
Originally Posted by Southerner
(Post 2626271)
It isn't irrational at all. If the economy tanks and we are still negotiating, our position will likely be worse. That absolutely should be considered.
The fact that you accept that risk is fine. Others do not accept that risk, which is fine also. But to deny that it exists as a risk at all is incorrect. If you think there's a real chance the economy tanks before we get a TA2 and are using that fear as a major decision making factor in your vote, that is irrational. Hell, we could crash 2 or 3 planes in the next few months and JB could tank even worse. Is the economy a factor? Sure. But the chance it tanks over the next year or so to the point it would negatively affect our next TA is extremely low. People use that point as an EXCUSE to support their Yes vote. |
Originally Posted by Southerner
(Post 2626277)
No. This contract isn't substandard. It's pretty much middle of the road. Some good, some less good, but overall middle of the road and far ahead of our current book.
If we end up negotiating in a downturn, we could end up with a deal worse than this one. It's an unknown. Some are willing to accept that risk, and some are not. For most people this likely isn't their major factor for yes/no, but if they are middle of the road on the deal, it's likely the thing that pushes them to yes. Make sense? It's not middle of the road. It's at the bottom end overall in relation to our peers. And it gets worse every year of this contract. But keep justifying settling for less. That's what we've all come to expect from you. |
Originally Posted by BunkerF16
(Post 2626297)
It's not middle of the road. It's at the bottom end overall in relation to our peers. And it gets worse every year of this contract. But keep justifying settling for less. That's what we've all come to expect from you.
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Originally Posted by Southerner
(Post 2626306)
See. Personal attacks. Someone feels differently than you, and instead of seeing the other side, you attack.
It's not an attack to realize early on and to point out the fact that you were going to cave to anything thrown in front of you. |
Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
(Post 2625899)
In Unity,
Sun Tzu PS I’m not on blue pilots but if anyone wants to copy and paste it there, feel free. PPS No, I’m not a “company plant" who just joined this board to get this so-so deal to pass. I’m just a dork who has way too much time on his hands and spends it reading about cheese farmers in Wisconsin. |
Originally Posted by BunkerF16
(Post 2626322)
It's not an attack to realize early on and to point out the fact that you were going to cave to anything thrown in front of you.
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Originally Posted by PropPiedmont
(Post 2626338)
Why don’t you just get onto Blue Pilots? Are you not a JetBlue pilot?
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Originally Posted by say again
(Post 2626347)
I gave up trying after a couple of years. Invalid employee #. From what I hear,I'm better off no joining anyway. :D:D
Its a horrible, awful car wreck over there. And I LOVE it. :D |
Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
(Post 2626357)
Ive read things on BP that these eyes cant unsee.
Its a horrible, awful car wreck over there. And I LOVE it. :D |
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