nuball5

The difference is the A220 is fully certified and flying pax around in Europe with rave reviews. The A321LR just completed it first test flight earlier this year. Knowing Jetblue, they might not feel comfortable pulling the trigger yet until they gather more data on the LR.....who knows.

RiddleEagle18

Absolutely. Thats why I think another announcement next week. Why negotiate section 14 if they weren’t sure.


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pilotpayne

Yeah I don’t know. I know back in December when I talked at length with one of our most senior “ELT” members(been here the longest)he told me about what was going to happen with LGB, which turned out to be almost exactly true with the new “strategy” out there. He also talked a lot about the LR and the cabin configuration and all the work that was already done. They have been hinting at Europe for so long I just can’t see them not going. I definitely think it’s possible they wanted a big Europe announcement and didn’t want the 220 announcement to take anything away from it. Remember we work for a PR company. There was also something in one of those ask giggity questions about them coming out with a new slogan/ catch phrase to use other than you above all. To me it just feels (and that’s all I got is a feeling) they are about to go with something. Like riddle said why put that stuff in the CBA just like they wanted 220 rates. Obviously they have some plan they just are so freaking secretive right now it’s not even funny.


Or they have no plane at all......also totally possible.


But this is where we get into the bipolar airline that is jetblue. In some areas they are smart and innovative, but they still can’t figure out OTP, well they can but it would cost more money.

Bluedriver

I was initially surprised that they announced the A220 the week before the airshow. Then it occurred to me that they probably want to celebrate them separately. The A220 isn't really a step- change in our business model, it's simply a massive improvement in our business model.

The LR is big expansion of our business model and I think they want the full spotlight on that announcement.

Just my opinion.

ItnStln

When did United get the A321?

SmitteyB

They don’t.

pilotpayne

I think that’s about right. While the 220 is big for us it doesn’t really change the jetblue model....going to Europe would be a big change.

ItnStln

That’s what I thought.

RiddleEagle18

What I find really interesting is I think the company actually didn’t have a decision until after the TA.

If your the company and you know the 220 is coming then you don’t negotiate the rates at all. You leave in the “new equipment” clause, impose ****ty rates and then take your chances in arbitration.


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BunkerF16

I have no doubt the decision was made before the TA was signed. It's about keeping the decision a secret as long as they possibly could.