Originally Posted by seekingblue
(Post 2631795)
Question for the 190 guys in the group:
Does this fundamentally change how you will vote? |
Originally Posted by captsurf
(Post 2631789)
Sorry for wanting to see this airline actually GROW. Saying 5-7% growth year-over-year is BS when it’s only because the ASM is increasing, and nothing else...
Everyone else is ADDING hulls. We are just replacing ours with bigger ones. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by captsurf
(Post 2631789)
Sorry for wanting to see this airline actually GROW. Saying 5-7% growth year-over-year is BS when it’s only because the ASM is increasing, and nothing else...
Everyone else is ADDING hulls. We are just replacing ours with bigger ones. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by da42pilot
(Post 2631785)
Yeah this looks like abandoning the lower end of the market (100 seaters) and replacing A320s with lower paying 220s.
This ain’t a E190 replacement, folks. https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/1069711/hb-iod-swiss-airbus-a321/ The CS300/A220-300 ain’t a small airplane. From an efficiency standpoint, a non-NEO A320 can’t compare to the low CASM on the CS300/A220-300. It will be a very profitable platform for JB. |
Originally Posted by capn a220
(Post 2631793)
I agree, this is the right aircraft for Jetblue. Not that anyone asked me to vote for/against. The pay for this aircraft and fleet protection language in our TA, however, is all kinds of wrong. And I am being asked to vote for/against that.
They just announced the order. The company will cave quickly if we vote no and insist on fixing this now. Industry average pay. A320 pay for any A220 configured with greater than 135 seats. A320/321 block hour/fleet number protection - if either decreases from DOS - A220 pay increases to A320. This can be fixed over lunch. But if the TA passes, we'll regret it for the next 5-7 years. Good to see you with your new name capn. |
Originally Posted by Softpayman
(Post 2631812)
Are we adding any A321NEOs in 2019 & 2020? If so do they constitute growth?
Don’t disagree with you at all. I just know there’s a lot of cities between NY and LAX that we do not current serve that hopefully the A220/CS300 will allow us to serve in the future. The 190 “replacements” will be the test. Hopefully we exercise our 60 additional options and actually go to some new cities Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by capn a220
(Post 2631793)
I agree, this is the right aircraft for Jetblue. Not that anyone asked me to vote for/against. The pay for this aircraft and fleet protection language in our TA, however, is all kinds of wrong. And I am being asked to vote for/against that.
They just announced the order. The company will cave quickly if we vote no and insist on fixing this now. Industry average pay. A320 pay for any A220 configured with greater than 135 seats. A320/321 block hour/fleet number protection - if either decreases from DOS - A220 pay increases to A320. This can be fixed over lunch. But if the TA passes, we'll regret it for the next 5-7 years. We vote this down we go back to crap...when DAL and SWA voted theirs down they went back to top of the industry CBA’s.... |
Originally Posted by capn a220
(Post 2631793)
I agree, this is the right aircraft for Jetblue. Not that anyone asked me to vote for/against. The pay for this aircraft and fleet protection language in our TA, however, is all kinds of wrong. And I am being asked to vote for/against that.
They just announced the order. The company will cave quickly if we vote no and insist on fixing this now. Industry average pay. A320 pay for any A220 configured with greater than 135 seats. A320/321 block hour/fleet number protection - if either decreases from DOS - A220 pay increases to A320. This can be fixed over lunch. But if the TA passes, we'll regret it for the next 5-7 years. Look at the big picture here. SWA doesn't override the 737-800, 900. United is flying the 321, the 737-700, -800, and -900, and the 757-200 all at the same rate as the 320. American flies the 737-800 and 321 at the same rate as the 320, and American has 200+ 321s (almost a 5:1 ratio 321:320 ref. APC). Alaska flies all versions of the 737 and the 321 at the same rate as the 320. Spirit has a blended rate which is near bottom of the industry. Do I want more. He!! yes! But I'm sorry, your claim is not supported by the market, so fixing it over lunch doesn't happen. If you want to vote no because you dont like it, then ok. But don't live in fantasy land and understand what is realistically achievable, and that opening up bargaining over issues that are likely unachievable allows the company to attack us on scope, rigs, retirement, etc., all while not having a CBA and living under the Direct Relationship for an indeterminable amount of time. |
Originally Posted by 200Driver
(Post 2631838)
Here’s the problem with that logic...unlike SWA with the Max we have NO agreement to go back to. We vote down, company says no problemo here’s your C-Series rates (copy paste current 190 rates) and we will meet once a quarter with the mediator to address the concerns of the pilot group. We can’t meet anymore now that our plate is full with getting ready for the new aircraft.
We vote this down we go back to crap...when DAL and SWA voted theirs down they went back to top of the industry CBA’s.... Most know that this TA could be better, but comparing it to DAL and SWA is naive at best. |
Originally Posted by 200Driver
(Post 2631838)
Here’s the problem with that logic...unlike SWA with the Max we have NO agreement to go back to. We vote down, company says no problemo here’s your C-Series rates (copy paste current 190 rates) and we will meet once a quarter with the mediator to address the concerns of the pilot group. We can’t meet anymore now that our plate is full with getting ready for the new aircraft.
We vote this down we go back to crap...when DAL and SWA voted theirs down they went back to top of the industry CBA’s.... |
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