Originally Posted by expectholding (Post 2631841)

The fallacy that they'll be crawling to us and fixing this over lunch is unfounded, and I would challenge you to reference an instance where this has ever happened.

Look at the big picture here. SWA doesn't override the 737-800, 900. United is flying the 321, the 737-700, -800, and -900, and the 757-200 all at the same rate as the 320. American flies the 737-800 and 321 at the same rate as the 320, and American has 200+ 321s (almost a 5:1 ratio 321:320 ref. APC). Alaska flies all versions of the 737 and the 321 at the same rate as the 320. Spirit has a blended rate which is near bottom of the industry.

Do I want more. He!! yes! But I'm sorry, your claim is not supported by the market, so fixing it over lunch doesn't happen. If you want to vote no because you dont like it, then ok. But don't live in fantasy land and understand what is realistically achievable, and that opening up bargaining over issues that are likely unachievable allows the company to attack us on scope, rigs, retirement, etc., all while not having a CBA and living under the Direct Relationship for an indeterminable amount of time.

Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 2631712)

Wait I thought this was all a contract ploy, that we’d get the 195 all along. Guess you guys don’t know what you’re talking about.

Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2631879)

We don't have language for these payscales now. Where in the PEA are they allowed to impose new payates while in negotiations? Honest question.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2631906)

The Airline is in an upgauging trend. The A220-300 will not replace any A320 airframes.

Now, in 2025 when it's time to potentially exercise the A220 options and our oldest A320s reach age 65? EXPECT us to exercise those A220-*500* or -*700* options to replace our oldest A320s.

And that aircraft should have a new pay rate to match or exceed the A320 rate.

Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2631879)

We don't have language for these payscales now. Where in the PEA are they allowed to impose new payates while in negotiations? Honest question.

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2631915)

I am guessing that there are 900 or so E190 pilots now, if this gets voted in, they will get a $20 raise on average. Total cost to the company around $20million per year extra for the pilots. Does that make up for all the other deficiencies in the TA? Just curious no one has mentioned it.

Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 2631919)

As a 190 pilot, these new airplanes and their rates are hard to imagine for myself cause it's still so far down the road. I think we have only 9 on property until 2022 comes around.

Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 2631919)

As a 190 pilot, these new airplanes and their rates are hard to imagine for myself cause it's still so far down the road. I think we have only 9 on property until 2022 comes around.