I was told by a JB exec today that the company was in final negotiations with Skywest to replace our E190 100 seaters with Skywest CRJ200 50 seaters. He said it was happening industry wide, and called it "small-gauging". But just before the deal was closed, ALPA came in and forced them into our TA scope.

So they instead decided to replace our 100 seaters with 130-140 seaters.

#wediditguys!

Call me crazy but maybe by then you could bid to the 320 if it was such a problem. I mean, if you’re up for the training cycle. The TA does address training pay.

🤪🤪 if you would have said E170/175’s or even the MRJ maybe, but antiquated CRJ200’s, I think not....lol

Or, if we vote down the TA, they could simply execute a pre-canned Plan B to create a subsidiary/alter ego to operate the 60 A-220s they just ordered..."fix it over lunch" as you say.

I'm certain the NMB would be receptive to a "business necessity" argument from the company (for farming out the A-220s), if the agreement is voted down and our ask goes up. They'd have 2 years to scale up a paper subsidiary and get a hiring pipeline of street upgrades/initial cadre going.

Show me something in the PEA that proves me wrong, and I will gladly admit that I am wrong.

Unlike current contracts at other carriers, we have very little protection against such scenarios under our current framework. Channel the anger and unity of a mighty legacy ALPA group all you want, but at least beware of the fact that we don't have the big gorilla of an established, solid CBA full of scope restrictions standing behind us like they do now.

This is what keeps me up at night....

If we vote this contract down, we have ZERO scope protections. Skywest could very easily fly these or fly their E175’s to replace our flying....

Yes, that's my plan. I just was responding to the someone that said those on the 190 are going to see a large raise with the A220 and how it's still about 5 years away.

Yep--just because JetBlue the company is buying A-220s, we cannot--and should not--categorically presume that JetBlue pilots have to be the people who fly them.

Many people on here seem to be basing their entire decision on this TA on the above presumption, using shreds of hypothetical "evidence" of the company's intentions re: regionals/contractors/alter egos. And it's a false presumption until there is a legally-binding document signed and in effect making it so.

That legally-binding document is on the table in front of us. But it's not signed yet.

JB must have been scared the vote was going to be a little closer than they wanted.......all the fearmongering going on now with the announcement of the 220 is classic.


SCOPE and recession! Holy crap! We need to just close out the vote right now before the sky falls in!


This pilot group, man. Ahhhh to be about 10 years younger.......

So when the big 4 are hiring 1,000 pilots a year each who will they get to do this outsourced flying?

SkyWest can’t fly anything that doesn’t fit in deltas scope. If SkyWest flies anything bigger than an E175 for anyone, delta cancels SkyWest flying. That’s why their 100 175 E2s won’t ever be delivered. 175s...yes. C series or E2s...no.