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todd1200 06-15-2019 05:31 PM

I believe the annual bid will have quarterly effective dates (thus the 120 day limit), so you can bid 1Q, 2Q, 3Q or 4Q—similar to what we do now, just all at once instead of 4 separate bids. That way, we don’t lose vacation when we change seat/domicile.

360KIAS 06-15-2019 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by rvr1800 (Post 2837418)
2. Training and transfers shall occur within 120 days preceding the bid effective date.

I’ve read this sentence 100 times and interpreted it a few different ways.

One interpretation is that training or transfer has to occur by the 120th day prior to the effective date. So you’d have to be done with or at least start training by October for a 12/31/2020 effective date.

My other interpretation is that training cannot commence until you’re within 120 days of the bid effective date.

Either way I think this sentence requires multiple effective dates in the annual system bid.

I interpret it as within 120 days of your transfer date. So if in August, one is awarded a base transfer on 1 June 2020, their training must start after 1 Feb and be complete by 31 May (roughly quarterly).

In your first example above, September vs October.

jtrain609 06-16-2019 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 2837424)
I believe the annual bid will have quarterly effective dates (thus the 120 day limit), so you can bid 1Q, 2Q, 3Q or 4Q—similar to what we do now, just all at once instead of 4 separate bids. That way, we don’t lose vacation when we change seat/domicile.

I believe you're the only person in this thread who actually read the contract.

Tom a Hawk 06-16-2019 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 2837424)
I believe the annual bid will have quarterly effective dates (thus the 120 day limit), so you can bid 1Q, 2Q, 3Q or 4Q—similar to what we do now, just all at once instead of 4 separate bids. That way, we don’t lose vacation when we change seat/domicile.

I agree it makes sense to do it that way, especially for the coming year with many deliveries and lots of hiring. But it doesn’t have to. In a year with no growth or deliveries only in a certain part of the year it could look very different.

rvr1800 06-16-2019 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by jtrain609 (Post 2837557)
I believe you're the only person in this thread who actually read the contract.

Ok so how do you interpret the sentence I pulled directly out of the CBA?

rvr1800 06-16-2019 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by 360KIAS (Post 2837448)
I interpret it as within 120 days of your transfer date. So if in August, one is awarded a base transfer on 1 June 2020, their training must start after 1 Feb and be complete by 31 May (roughly quarterly).

In your first example above, September vs October.

Makes sense to me.

dogpilot 06-16-2019 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by rvr1800 (Post 2837758)
Makes sense to me.

My buddy with you guys says there is an FO that credited 400 hrs last month. Is that possible? He says he spoke to the guy himself. Someone explain please.

Toonces 06-16-2019 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by dogpilot (Post 2837964)
My buddy with you guys says there is an FO that credited 400 hrs last month. Is that possible? He says he spoke to the guy himself. Someone explain please.


Hmmmm. Maybe if he was bought off all his trips due to legalities or IOE/ mgmt, then did VDA at 190% for a number of trips, plus made extra via EPS due to late flights etc, and then sold back PTO, I think it could be possible. I’m too lazy to do the math.


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BlueJetDork 06-16-2019 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by dogpilot (Post 2837964)
My buddy with you guys says there is an FO that credited 400 hrs last month. Is that possible? He says he spoke to the guy himself. Someone explain please.

Drop for training.

Vda out of base with credit for paper DHs.

Seen this happen and a 2 day credits greater than 45 hours.

Paper DH credit is going away when the global Open time “improvement” goes into effect.

Btw we have global open time now. It’s called vda with paper dh credit.

Another improvement that is less than what we have now!!!

rvr1800 06-17-2019 01:57 AM


Originally Posted by BlueJetDork (Post 2837977)
Drop for training.

Vda out of base with credit for paper DHs.

Seen this happen and a 2 day credits greater than 45 hours.

Paper DH credit is going away when the global Open time “improvement” goes into effect.

Btw we have global open time now. It’s called vda with paper dh credit.

Another improvement that is less than what we have now!!!


I still don’t think it’s possible to hit 400. Maybe mathematically it is but I’d have to see it myself to believe it.


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