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capt707 07-15-2019 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2853649)
What is JB's holiday pay override for trips on holidays?

Trying to lobby for it at Delta, but there is much confusion as to the line swine what is possible....

Special Pay Day:
A Pilot shall receive Special Pay on January 1st, Martin Luther King Jr Day, July 4th, Memorial Day, fourth Thursday in November, and December 25th.

a. When the Pilot (or Instructor) is scheduled to work (including training) on a Special Pay Day designated in this Agreement, the Pilot shall be compensated at a rate of two (2) times the Pilot’s normal base rate of compensation for the scheduled or actual credit hours on that day or four (4) hours credit, whichever is greater.

b. Pilots required to layover on a Special Pay Day, but do not fly, will receive four hours (4:00) of Special Pay at their Regular Pay Rate. Pilots on reserve who do not fly will receive four hours (4:00) Special Pay at their Regular Pay Rate. If a Pilot is assigned a Secondary Pairing by Crew Services, any Special Pay in the Pairing will be guaranteed for the greater of the Pairing's Special Pay or what was actually flown on that day.

c. A Pilot in a training curriculum (at OSC) but not scheduled to train will receive four hours (4:00) of Special Pay at their Regular Pay Rate.

360KIAS 07-15-2019 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2853649)
What is JB's holiday pay override for trips on holidays?

Trying to lobby for it at Delta, but there is much confusion as to the line swine what is possible....

4 hours extra pay on RSV.

Double pay if you fly.

queue 07-15-2019 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by 360KIAS (Post 2853323)
Had we voted no, we would all still be working for lower wages, most likely into next year


This is the false narrative that people believed in. There is no evidence to suggest that it would've taken that long. How many people were misled into a contract because they were afraid we would be bought out?
Did that happen? Yet, it was a popular narrative at the time as well.

Also, it discounts the possibility that BJ pilots could have exercised their powers to change the terms of the equation to force BJ to agree to more of our terms.

Remember, ALPA failed because 74% of you people failed to think. Now you are getting what you deserve. Several of us warned you to reject TA 1.0 for TA 2.0 and you acted reflexively, not logically.

Until BJ pilots learn to respect themselves, their profession, and learn to fight, nothing will change with the next contract.

Mattio 07-15-2019 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by texpilot (Post 2853641)
I did that for about 4 years. Did about 150-180 hours a year, dequal’d on landings, it was awesome. 4 days of LC followed by REL sometimes for a perfect week. About 2 years ago that all came crashing down with the staffing issues (in FLL FO at least).

Glad it’s working for you still!

Tex

Ya RSV seems hit or miss nowadays. E90 FO RSV used to be great because they loaded up, I think, to prepare for the many people bidding off of it. Seemed like Bus FO RSV was nice for a while more recently but getting busy again whereas E90 RSV is slowing back down. Depends on the flux of where they're sending new hires I suppose.

seekingblue 07-16-2019 03:21 AM


Originally Posted by queue (Post 2853859)
This is the false narrative that people believed in. There is no evidence to suggest that it would've taken that long. How many people were misled into a contract because they were afraid we would be bought out?
Did that happen? Yet, it was a popular narrative at the time as well.

Also, it discounts the possibility that BJ pilots could have exercised their powers to change the terms of the equation to force BJ to agree to more of our terms.

Remember, ALPA failed because 74% of you people failed to think. Now you are getting what you deserve. Several of us warned you to reject TA 1.0 for TA 2.0 and you acted reflexively, not logically.

Until BJ pilots learn to respect themselves, their profession, and learn to fight, nothing will change with the next contract.

Queue-

I know we are in different sides of this and that’s okay.

I voted yes, as did 74% of the group. I stand by my vote. As I stated earlier in this thread, based on the trips I fly, the contract got me a significant raise— All while working less. This Contract improved working here.

I hope despite our past differences, we can all be United (see what I did there) for a better contract with better pay and work rules in our next contract. I personally believe that we will be a much better negotiating position since we have a framework in place.

360KIAS 07-16-2019 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by queue (Post 2853859)
This is the false narrative that people believed in. There is no evidence to suggest that it would've taken that long...

Pretty words, on paper. I for one don't believe them for a minute. The company was saving millions of dollars every month the CBA was delayed. But here we are now, with 1.0 nearly finished, and 2.0 is just around the corner.

360KIAS 07-16-2019 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 2853891)
Queue-

I know we are in different sides of this and that’s okay.

I voted yes, as did 74% of the group. I stand by my vote. As I stated earlier in this thread, based on the trips I fly, the contract got me a significant raise— All while working less. This Contract improved working here.

I hope despite our past differences, we can all be United (see what I did there) for a better contract with better pay and work rules in our next contract. I personally believe that we will be a much better negotiating position since we have a framework in place.


I agree with this. At least I HOPE we are able to negotiate mo betta than what we have today, all the while making a better wage while waiting. If not, I may have to cross the line and hang out with queue, BD, disenchantmint. *shudder*

CaptCoolHand 07-16-2019 05:10 AM

There’s also zero evidence that we wouldn’t still be negotiating contract 2.0.

The only thing that’s for sure is that implementation would definitely not have happened any sooner. I’d say it’s also a safe bet that the recent staffing increase would not have happened.

BlueJetDork 07-16-2019 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by 360KIAS (Post 2853906)
Pretty words, on paper. I for one don't believe them for a minute. The company was saving millions of dollars every month the CBA was delayed. But here we are now, with 1.0 nearly finished, and 2.0 is just around the corner.

Around the corner: as in 2027.

And about then the pilot group will say: next time.

IrishNJ 07-16-2019 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by queue (Post 2853859)
This is the false narrative that people believed in. There is no evidence to suggest that it would've taken that long. ....

And there's no evidence that it WOULDN'T have taken that long.


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