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360KIAS 07-16-2019 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by BlueJetDork (Post 2854312)
Around the corner: as in 2027.

And about then the pilot group will say: next time.

Yeah. Because our current CBA will be in effect for 9 years. You're right.

IQuitEagle 07-16-2019 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by 360KIAS (Post 2853323)
Had we voted no, we would all still be working for lower wages, most likely into next year


Originally Posted by 360KIAS (Post 2854501)
Yeah. Because our current CBA will be in effect for 9 years. You're right.

Funny that you think that if you hadn't voted in the first offer that you'd still be waiting on offer #2, yet you assume the company won't drag out negotiations when the current agreement becomes amendable? Riiighht...

jtrain609 07-17-2019 03:57 AM


Originally Posted by IQuitEagle (Post 2854505)
Funny that you think that if you hadn't voted in the first offer that you'd still be waiting on offer #2, yet you assume the company won't drag out negotiations when the current agreement becomes amendable? Riiighht...

That goes both ways. If we're in a recession during negotiations for the next CBA the union will be the one to drag things out.

CaptCoolHand 07-17-2019 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by IQuitEagle (Post 2854505)
Funny that you think that if you hadn't voted in the first offer that you'd still be waiting on offer #2, yet you assume the company won't drag out negotiations when the current agreement becomes amendable? Riiighht...

It’s entirely speculation from either side of the fence at this point.

We got what we got. It’s certainly not the worst but there’s room for improvement. Hopefully we’ll do better next round.

The implementation time line is quickly coming to an end. Can’t wait for the arbitration hearing when our “partners” miss the deadline.

Bozo the pilot 07-17-2019 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2854570)
It’s entirely speculation from either side of the fence at this point.

We got what we got. It’s certainly not the worst but there’s room for improvement. Hopefully we’ll do better next round.

The implementation time line is quickly coming to an end. Can’t wait for the arbitration hearing when our “partners” miss the deadline.

This is too measured a perspective CCH- you must be more tribal-- So burn it down or juice up.
This CBA was built from the ground up. You either trust the mec/nc or you dont. Hopin the loudmouth 26ers volunteer for the next round and get us DAL+3. :rolleyes:

BlueJetDork 07-17-2019 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by 360KIAS (Post 2854501)
Yeah. Because our current CBA will be in effect for 9 years. You're right.

CBAs are in effect for perpetuity.

The company has zero incentive to amended it.

This pilot group for nearly two decades has proven it will settle: every time for anything.

Once the “wait” drags on this pilot group will rush to settle so they can get ‘em the next “next time”.

Softpayman 07-17-2019 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 2854576)
This is too measured a perspective CCH- you must be more tribal-- So burn it down or juice up.
This CBA was built from the ground up. You either trust the mec/nc or you dont. Hopin the loudmouth 26ers volunteer for the next round and get us DAL+3. :rolleyes:

The 26ers answer to the NC was “why don’t you guys just stomp out of the room anytime they present a sub-standard offer?”

I feel bad for the NC guys who had to listen to our “real experts.”

BlueJetDork 07-17-2019 06:42 AM

If the NC said this is the best we could get and it up to the pilot group now.

That would have been honest.

Instead we got a presentation of exaggerations meant to do only one thing. Pass a product.

Zero respect for that. That is why they were fired by the LECs.

Bozo the pilot 07-17-2019 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by BlueJetDork (Post 2854605)
If the NC said this is the best we could get and it up to the pilot group now.

That would have been honest.

Instead we got a presentation of exaggerations meant to do only one thing. Pass a product.

Zero respect for that. That is why they were fired by the LECs.

Which NC personnel have you spoken to? Or is this just pure conjecture?

pilotpayne 07-17-2019 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2853933)
There’s also zero evidence that we wouldn’t still be negotiating contract 2.0.

The only thing that’s for sure is that implementation would definitely not have happened any sooner. I’d say it’s also a safe bet that the recent staffing increase would not have happened.


Exactly right but they can play in theory and we are stuck with facts.


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