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Bluedriver 08-19-2019 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by 360KIAS (Post 2871982)

It took you a month to come up with that?

What 360 is really trying to say: "compare yourself to people with dirt-hole toilets and campfire-ovens, instead of your ACTUAL peers, and you can be professionally "happy".

And... I can PROMISE you, my life doesn't suck.

SaintNick 08-19-2019 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2872679)
It took you a month to come up with that?

What 360 is really trying to say: "compare yourself to people with dirt-hole toilets and campfire-ovens, instead of your ACTUAL peers, and you can be professionally "happy".

And... I can PROMISE you, my life doesn't suck.

Can’t have it both ways in his mind. I make good money, my family situation is amazing. But yes jetBlue sucks in comparison to the legacies

360KIAS 08-19-2019 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2872679)
It took you a month to come up with that?

I have been busy putting out fires in LSC, and working on a new PS formula to keep you from getting too much JB money. Didn't have time to talk to you. Sorry, I know you missed me. I'll try to do better.

David Puddy 08-19-2019 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by jstyle13 (Post 2872567)
Lol really...? First airline job I guess?

If QOL is what your after as a new-hire commuter, the ONLY thing that matters is how quickly you can get off RSV and start to have some control over your life. And to do that here at B6 you bid the 190 JFK.

Ya the 190 flight deck sucks compared to the Bus and it's basically regional flying, but you know what sucks more: Having to spend 10-15 nights a month sitting in a sh!thole crash pad in Queens waiting to get called to do red-eye round trips to the Caribbean because you liked the flight deck better on the Bus over the 190. Easily going to spend 8-12 months more on Rsv if you bid the Bus.

And don’t forget the chance to use the HUD in the 190!!! Definitely a strong consideration!!!! LOL 😂

Bluedriver 08-19-2019 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by SaintNick (Post 2872695)
Can’t have it both ways in his mind. I make good money, my family situation is amazing. But yes jetBlue sucks in comparison to the legacies

This guy...

Herc130AV8R 08-19-2019 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by jstyle13 (Post 2872567)
Lol really...? First airline job I guess?

If QOL is what your after as a new-hire commuter, the ONLY thing that matters is how quickly you can get off RSV and start to have some control over your life. And to do that here at B6 you bid the 190 JFK.

Ya the 190 flight deck sucks compared to the Bus and it's basically regional flying, but you know what sucks more: Having to spend 10-15 nights a month sitting in a sh!thole crash pad in Queens waiting to get called to do red-eye round trips to the Caribbean because you liked the flight deck better on the Bus over the 190. Easily going to spend 8-12 months more on Rsv if you bid the Bus.

Really! Yes, first airline job. I just thought that if I'm at the training facility where the sims are, it would be no big deal to just check it out real quick between sim periods. I guess you are saying that is not possible. Copy.

And as as retiring military, I have the luxury of moving anywhere I want paid by the government. My ideal gig is sitting reserve at home and getting paid. I plan to commute from current location for about 6 months and decide if B6 is going to be my long term plan. If so, I will be moving into domicile. So, considering that as my situation, would bidding Bus still be that bad?

Herc130AV8R 08-19-2019 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by 360KIAS (Post 2872637)
Meh, QoL is different for everyone. Some enjoy sitting at home, not flying, making guarantee, and spending time with family. Others feel the need to credit 130 hours a month. Luckily, this industry allows everyone to find their niche.

Same with red eyes. I have buddies that pref bid them. Others who don't really want them. Not as much choice when you're on RSV. But they aren't all that frequent. I'm hearing about 1-2 a month in JFK.

Another thing to consider is the leg differences. 1-2 legs a day on the bus vs 4-5 a day on the 190. And locations. More NE regional-like trips on the 190. The 320 actually GOES places like the west coast and Caribbean.

And yet another factor is taking your spouse along, if you're into that sort of thing. Mo betta on the 320 than the 190.

Shorter RSV on the Emb, same first year pay, so if a line is what you seek, the 190 is preferable. You're very likely to make more on the 190 than the bus in your first year, if you're chasing the dollar.

So.many things to consider.


Thanks. That is good info. Sitting home on RSV is my goal long term.

jstyle13 08-19-2019 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Herc130AV8R (Post 2872819)
Really! Yes, first airline job. I just thought that if I'm at the training facility where the sims are, it would be no big deal to just check it out real quick between sim periods. I guess you are saying that is not possible. Copy.

And as as retiring military, I have the luxury of moving anywhere I want paid by the government. My ideal gig is sitting reserve at home and getting paid. I plan to commute from current location for about 6 months and decide if B6 is going to be my long term plan. If so, I will be moving into domicile. So, considering that as my situation, would bidding Bus still be that bad?

All snark aside, welcome aboard. Glad to have you here at B6.

But in your original post you asked advice on which route would be the best for you as a new-hire commuter to get better QOL which I outlined in my first reply to you. I get it if you have reservations about sitting in the 190 cockpit all day vs the Bus. I'm a 320 guy and I sure as sh!t don't want to get anywhere near a 190.

2 years ago I knowingly chose the 320 as a new-hire that would be commuting because I'd been a regional guy for the previous 15 years and couldn't stand the idea of doing anymore flying like that. So that was my first concern. I knew I'd be on RSV about 6-12 months more than the guys in my class who took the 190, but the flying outweighed that for me personally. It may be different for you.

But I assumed QOL for you meant: being off RSV, getting weekends off to be home with family and not having to give up off days because you couldn't commute home on your last day of RSV. If QOL for you is more about the plane/flight deck/trip variety then yes the 320 is the plane for you.

You might could check out the sims if you know someone over at the training building that could let you in, but when you show up for new-hire training, you're going to bid for plane/domicile the first night you are there. Might be hard to pull that off.

Good luck. Welcome to B6. Go easy on the bluejuice and you'll be fine :)

Herc130AV8R 08-19-2019 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by jstyle13 (Post 2872829)
All snark aside, welcome aboard. Glad to have you here at B6.

But in your original post you asked advice on which route would be the best for you as a new-hire commuter to get better QOL which I outlined in my first reply to you. I get it if you have reservations about sitting in the 190 cockpit all day vs the Bus. I'm a 320 guy and I sure as sh!t don't want to get anywhere near a 190.

2 years ago I knowingly chose the 320 as a new-hire that would be commuting because I'd been a regional guy for the previous 15 years and couldn't stand the idea of doing anymore flying like that. So that was my first concern. I knew I'd be on RSV about 6-12 months more than the guys in my class who took the 190, but the flying outweighed that for me personally. It may be different for you.

But I assumed QOL for you meant: being off RSV, getting weekends off to be home with family and not having to give up off days because you couldn't commute home on your last day of RSV. If QOL for you is more about the plane/flight deck/trip variety then yes the 320 is the plane for you.

You might could check out the sims if you know someone over at the training building that could let you in, but when you show up for new-hire training, you're going to bid for plane/domicile the first night you are there. Might be hard to pull that off.

Good luck. Welcome to B6. Go easy on the bluejuice and you'll be fine :)

Ok great thanks. That is all good info. I understand commuting sucks and commuting to RSV triple sucks. But I have now decided that commuting will be a short term game for me (about 6 months) so I'm starting to lean Bus. I was originally all 190 when I started reading through this forum and gathering info. QOL for me is living in domicile and maximizing time at home. Whether that is RSV vs. line, Bus vs. 190 I could really care less. But now I'm thinking if "in domicile" RSV will give me that, I'd of course rather fly Bus. Plus after 20 years flying the C-130 (HUGE flight deck) maybe the 190 would be a rough adjustment. Don't really care about where the trips go but legs/day sounds like a big difference. Occasional red eye would be fine. Just trying to narrow down all the variables and learn. Thanks for being patient with a "new" guy. All advice and input is greatly welcome.

360KIAS 08-19-2019 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by Herc130AV8R (Post 2872819)
Really! Yes, first airline job. I just thought that if I'm at the training facility where the sims are, it would be no big deal to just check it out real quick between sim periods. I guess you are saying that is not possible. Copy.

And as as retiring military, I have the luxury of moving anywhere I want paid by the government. My ideal gig is sitting reserve at home and getting paid. I plan to commute from current location for about 6 months and decide if B6 is going to be my long term plan. If so, I will be moving into domicile. So, considering that as my situation, would bidding Bus still be that bad?

Getting into the sims IS doable, but not super easy on arrival day. They are in the building next to the lodge, but you have to be with someone with a badge to get into either the CPTs or sims. But the choice is easy... if you like yourself and want to be comfortable choose the 320. If you want to rush into a line and make a little more money, go 190 for the first year.


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