News to me that we can monetize our vacation. Oh you mean not take it and work over our vacation.

Like PTX. Like we had before.

Allocation is only 1 week for only 1/2 the pilot group ....Next year!

Legally binding? We had that within months of certification with the dispute LOA.

The contract was a D minus. Pure and simple! But was wrapped in false narratives and oversold to a group that was hired only because we scored 100% on TMAAT you turn a negative into a positive!!

Keep swimming!!!

 

In summary that's what YOU got. You don't speak for me or anyone with any seniority.

You're a wet dream for JB managment. You should put your app in for a project pilot ASAP. You have ACP material written all over you.

 

New guy comes out of the wood work bustin a bit about his contract a year after it was implemented. Troll or just random timing.

 

Next time will be different?

BS!!

We will be in “negotiations” for half a decade and fall behind by 35% and a FNG will say look “we got a huge 30%” raise. Then attend recurrent and learn the “facts” about fleet growth and Pilot CASM increases and new cities.

It’s to easy with this group!

 

Thanks for keeping it objective. This is why it’s an echo chamber on the internet. No one with any sense would waste time trying to reason with this.

I’m middle seniority i.e. that there’s about equal number of folks above me and below me.
People junior to me got more

It’s about 30% to the company’s bottom line overall by contract end.

I’m a hardcore unionist and walked around holding a sign in the freezing cold brother btw

 

Just decided to comment instead of lurk. Wow, what a mistake that was. The reaction you guys have to opposing opinions is like watching an infant who just had their binky stolen

 

I pegged you for middle to lower seniority just based on your point of view. I was right.

You're right. People below you did get more. As did you than people senior to you. Majority of the gains were taken at the expense of the more senior pilots and distributed to the lower senior pilots. There is a percentage of pilots who will make LESS under the CBA than they did under the PEA. There are pilots who will work more days under this CBA than they did under the PEA.

That's criminal.

I'm not begruding your gains, or the gains of others. I'm pi$$ed they took a majority of those gains out of the pockets and QOL of the more senior guys.

Did the CBA add to the bottom line of the company? Of course. But you're spouting off this 30% like everyone got some kind of windfall from this deal and that couldn't be further from the truth.

At all.

I never questioned your committment to the pilot group or whether you contributed to the cause during our negotiations.

I only questioned your POV, your naivety, your experience and your intelligence if you really believe the crap you're typing.

Hey, I may be wrong about you. Based on this thread, I doubt it though.

 

Look, if you’re goin to play tough guy at least put up some actual numbers as I have done. What was your old pay rate, what’s your new one? If you’re on the 190 how much seniority did you gain? If you switch to the bus what would your rate be, etc

 

I do not believe that anyone is actually making less under the current CBA fir the same days worked unless it’s a choice of category (remaining 190CA for example) and in which case they are enjoying a seniority windfall

 

I'm not going to be specific, but I am a senior 320 FO. Bid CKA trips. Never took vacation (could bid around days I wanted off), and I sold back PTO.

I took a 320 CA upgrade in the latest system bid and will work 3-4 more days a month and take a pay cut. Think about that one for a second. The only reason I took the upgrade is because if I had stayed an FO, the givebacks our union agreed to would have cost me another $50-60,000.

So I'm glad it worked out for you. But dont go around peacocking, strutting up and down flaunting your gains when there are significant number of pilots who are similar to me where they will work more and either not achieve a raise, or actually make less than they did before this CBA was signed.