Merger question
10-11-2019 | 08:55 PM
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10-11-2019 | 09:02 PM
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I'm not going to be specific, but I am a senior 320 FO. Bid CKA trips. Never took vacation (could bid around days I wanted off), and I sold back PTO.
I took a 320 CA upgrade in the latest system bid and will work 3-4 more days a month and take a pay cut. Think about that one for a second. The only reason I took the upgrade is because if I had stayed an FO, the givebacks our union agreed to would have cost me another $50-60,000.
So I'm glad it worked out for you. But dont go around peacocking, strutting up and down flaunting your gains when there are significant number of pilots who are similar to me where they will work more and either not achieve a raise, or actually make less than they did before this CBA was signed.
I took a 320 CA upgrade in the latest system bid and will work 3-4 more days a month and take a pay cut. Think about that one for a second. The only reason I took the upgrade is because if I had stayed an FO, the givebacks our union agreed to would have cost me another $50-60,000.
So I'm glad it worked out for you. But dont go around peacocking, strutting up and down flaunting your gains when there are significant number of pilots who are similar to me where they will work more and either not achieve a raise, or actually make less than they did before this CBA was signed.
I wish we didn’t give away CKA trips btw. But if your schedule was mostly bought off in a typical month than you are in the extreme minority. And if you’re senior you can have prime vacation weeks and likely get overtime pay on top basically earning 300% on a vacation
10-11-2019 | 09:03 PM
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Thanks again for showing your work. What if said individuals would work VDA over their vacations?
10-11-2019 | 09:08 PM
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BTW, VDA will soon occur no where near the level over the past few years.
It will be replace with premium open time.
A “thing” we had before.
What is new to you is old news to most of us.
10-11-2019 | 09:09 PM
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Thanks for not being specific! But feel free to castigate others from backgrounds or seniority levels you deem unworthy.
I wish we didn’t give away CKA trips btw. But if your schedule was mostly bought off in a typical month than you are in the extreme minority. And if you’re senior you can have prime vacation weeks and likely get overtime pay on top basically earning 300% on a vacation
I wish we didn’t give away CKA trips btw. But if your schedule was mostly bought off in a typical month than you are in the extreme minority. And if you’re senior you can have prime vacation weeks and likely get overtime pay on top basically earning 300% on a vacation
I don't look down on other seniority levels, just people like you who seem to be allergic to logical thought processes.
I realize I was in a minority, but taking CKA trips hurt everyone at some level, not just the guys who bid those specific trips. If you don't know how that works, well, I can't help you. Maybe someone else on this board will pick up the baton and try and explain things to you.
I've run the numbers. All of them. All scenarios. I lose money and work more whether I stay as an FO or upgrade. The only difference is the pay cut is less if I upgrade so off I go.
Again, I'm done with this conversation. Maybe one day you'll get it. Doubt it though.
Last edited by tomgoodman; 10-11-2019 at 09:14 PM. Reason: Deleted insult
10-11-2019 | 09:16 PM
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This is my last response to you
I don't look down on other seniority levels, just people like you who seem to be allergic to logical thought processes.
I realize I was in a minority, but taking CKA trips hurt everyone at some level, not just the guys who bid those specific trips. If you don't know how that works, well, I can't help you. Maybe someone else on this board will pick up the baton and try and explain things to you.
I've run the numbers. All of them. All scenarios. I lose money and work more whether I stay as an FO or upgrade. The only difference is the pay cut is less if I upgrade so off I go.
Again, I'm done with this conversation. Maybe one day you'll get it. Doubt it though.
I don't look down on other seniority levels, just people like you who seem to be allergic to logical thought processes.
I realize I was in a minority, but taking CKA trips hurt everyone at some level, not just the guys who bid those specific trips. If you don't know how that works, well, I can't help you. Maybe someone else on this board will pick up the baton and try and explain things to you.
I've run the numbers. All of them. All scenarios. I lose money and work more whether I stay as an FO or upgrade. The only difference is the pay cut is less if I upgrade so off I go.
Again, I'm done with this conversation. Maybe one day you'll get it. Doubt it though.
What was your old pay rate? What’s the current one? How much did you make from PTSOB? What if you work single or double time over that vacation?
I bet you’re a more senior CA now than you would have been all things equal under this CBA due to work rules vacation etc What’s that worth?
Last edited by tomgoodman; 10-11-2019 at 09:21 PM. Reason: Deleted insult in quoted post
10-11-2019 | 09:18 PM
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Blast from the past! Like $40/hr captains and leather jackets. 😭😭😭
10-12-2019 | 06:18 AM
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Since y’all don’t want to show your work here’s mine:
I’m middle seniority and middling longevity.
My pay rate went up from $126 to $156 per hour (20%) Plus the original 401k 13% on the increase (1-2%) plus three percent to 16% 401k contribution, brings us to 25% in cold hard cash. Not to mention the staffing and thus seniority increases for better rigs, reserve rules, vacation allotment. Add the $1/hr VEBA allotment, increases in rates for premium flying, etc. I’d say 30% is not far off.
I’m middle seniority and middling longevity.
My pay rate went up from $126 to $156 per hour (20%) Plus the original 401k 13% on the increase (1-2%) plus three percent to 16% 401k contribution, brings us to 25% in cold hard cash. Not to mention the staffing and thus seniority increases for better rigs, reserve rules, vacation allotment. Add the $1/hr VEBA allotment, increases in rates for premium flying, etc. I’d say 30% is not far off.
Our pre-CBA contribution was 3%. So it actually increased by 12%.
Edit: That is probably not fair. Since we no longer have to contribute to get the match, we are keeping 5%. Then add in the 2% (3% in 2021).
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