Merger question
10-12-2019 | 04:56 PM
#171
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Many pilots believed it wasn’t that great, but it wasn’t worth the time spent renegotiating for the next iteration of the CBA. Voting yes doesn’t mean you like something or that you think it’s better all the time. It’s a mathematical analysis. For some, that led to a yes vote. Is it worth waiting another 6-18 months for the next offer under current conditions? Is the next offer actually going to be better? Do I just want ANY contract in writing?
Sorry if you don’t agree, but I have spoken with many JB pilots and this is a common theme.
10-12-2019 | 05:01 PM
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No, I don’t agree.
Many pilots believed it wasn’t that great, but it wasn’t worth the time spent renegotiating for the next iteration of the CBA. Voting yes doesn’t mean you like something or that you think it’s better all the time. It’s a mathematical analysis. For some, that led to a yes vote. Is it worth waiting another 6-18 months for the next offer under current conditions? Is the next offer actually going to be better? Do I just want ANY contract in writing?
Sorry if you don’t agree, but I have spoken with many JB pilots and this is a common theme.
Many pilots believed it wasn’t that great, but it wasn’t worth the time spent renegotiating for the next iteration of the CBA. Voting yes doesn’t mean you like something or that you think it’s better all the time. It’s a mathematical analysis. For some, that led to a yes vote. Is it worth waiting another 6-18 months for the next offer under current conditions? Is the next offer actually going to be better? Do I just want ANY contract in writing?
Sorry if you don’t agree, but I have spoken with many JB pilots and this is a common theme.
NOBODY has said, here on APC or in the cockpit, that the CBA is great. But it’s a start. And certainly better than you had at EDV. And since you didn’t get to vote one way or the other, perhaps you might be well served to wait until the next one you ARE able to vote on. Just a thought. But you do you... I have enjoyed reading your posts for several years now. I am sure that will continue.
10-12-2019 | 05:36 PM
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When you’ve been here more than a few months, you may change your thought processes. Or not. You are young, and there is hope.
NOBODY has said, here on APC or in the cockpit, that the CBA is great. But it’s a start. And certainly better than you had at EDV. And since you didn’t get to vote one way or the other, perhaps you might be well served to wait until the next one you ARE able to vote on. Just a thought. But you do you... I have enjoyed reading your posts for several years now. I am sure that will continue.
NOBODY has said, here on APC or in the cockpit, that the CBA is great. But it’s a start. And certainly better than you had at EDV. And since you didn’t get to vote one way or the other, perhaps you might be well served to wait until the next one you ARE able to vote on. Just a thought. But you do you... I have enjoyed reading your posts for several years now. I am sure that will continue.
In fact, many sections were much better at Endeavor (And other regionals for that matter.). I have been surprised by some of what is lacking. The pay is better due to the equipment, but relatively it’s actually worse. Retirement is better.
Anyway, I’m not here to even begin arguing any of that, nor do I want to. I was simply saying 75% voting yes doesn’t mean 75% thought it was good. I’m happy it’s a four year contract and that went into my decision to come on board. Folks here have been awesome, and it’s been a good time thus far.
10-12-2019 | 06:47 PM
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It is not “certainly better than I had at Endeavor”.
In fact, many sections were much better at Endeavor (And other regionals for that matter.). I have been surprised by some of what is lacking. The pay is better due to the equipment, but relatively it’s actually worse. Retirement is better.
Anyway, I’m not here to even begin arguing any of that, nor do I want to. I was simply saying 75% voting yes doesn’t mean 75% thought it was good. I’m happy it’s a four year contract and that went into my decision to come on board. Folks here have been awesome, and it’s been a good time thus far.
In fact, many sections were much better at Endeavor (And other regionals for that matter.). I have been surprised by some of what is lacking. The pay is better due to the equipment, but relatively it’s actually worse. Retirement is better.
Anyway, I’m not here to even begin arguing any of that, nor do I want to. I was simply saying 75% voting yes doesn’t mean 75% thought it was good. I’m happy it’s a four year contract and that went into my decision to come on board. Folks here have been awesome, and it’s been a good time thus far.
74% voted yes because they believed it was better than what they had prior. Only the senior guys lost out, and in all my time at JB, NONE of the CAs are bitter about it in the cockpit. Not One. Might be different on the 190 side, but I opted to avoid that for many reasons.
I had things I liked at EDV, but to say “many sections were better at EDV”... perhaps you and I should take that to PMs to discuss. Neither of us were there very long, and both of us are here now, so perhaps it’s moot? IDK. “Relatively it’s actually worse”??? Prove it.
10-12-2019 | 06:57 PM
#175
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There you have it. Life IS better. I loved EDV, don’t get me wrong. Would not have left for JB were it not for what DAL and SKW did to my friends at ASA. THAT is what drove me to JB. And likely you. Company name on the plane as well as the ticket, AMIRITE?
74% voted yes because they believed it was better than what they had prior. Only the senior guys lost out, and in all my time at JB, NONE of the CAs are bitter about it in the cockpit. Not One. Might be different on the 190 side, but I opted to avoid that for many reasons.
I had things I liked at EDV, but to say “many sections were better at EDV”... perhaps you and I should take that to PMs to discuss. Neither of us were there very long, and both of us are here now, so perhaps it’s moot? IDK. “Relatively it’s actually worse”??? Prove it.
74% voted yes because they believed it was better than what they had prior. Only the senior guys lost out, and in all my time at JB, NONE of the CAs are bitter about it in the cockpit. Not One. Might be different on the 190 side, but I opted to avoid that for many reasons.
I had things I liked at EDV, but to say “many sections were better at EDV”... perhaps you and I should take that to PMs to discuss. Neither of us were there very long, and both of us are here now, so perhaps it’s moot? IDK. “Relatively it’s actually worse”??? Prove it.
Our pay at 9E was top of the industry for the equipment, at B6 we are far below our peers. That’s the “relative” part.
10-12-2019 | 07:17 PM
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10-12-2019 | 07:21 PM
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10-12-2019 | 07:28 PM
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