Merger question
 

All speculation of course, but still a question that crossed my mind..

Let's say Delta bought Jetblue and they merged. Do all the pilots morph into Delta pilots or do B6 pilots have to interview with Delta and meet their standards? For example: The 4 year degree requirement delta has in place. I know most B6 have one also, but not all of them. Do those without the 4 year suddenly find themselves in the unemployment line?

It’s B6...

And read up on airline history, it’ll do you some good.

All would be integrated into one pilot seniority group.

Oh man, que ex doochina.

He seems to be a 135 guy who got turned down at spirit and is hoping to get hired here. Just is very naive about this industry.

Delta pilots would become JetBlue pilots. Double breasted would become single breasted. Cats and dogs would begin living together.

MASS HYSTERIA.

If you mention breasts at JB you will be fired

Dr.Pete Venkman-----"GHOSTBUSTERS"!

:D

So when a delta pilot asks you if you’re a god you say YES!

Lmfao, yes!

Im not a 135 guy, however I have done 135 in the past. I've also never been turned down by Spirit. It was just a general question and those were the two airlines I used, because i've seen others on here saying saying Jetblue and Spirit could be bought out by some legacy in the future. I could have also chosen Spirit and American or Southwest and Delta, but I did't. I just chose two random airlines just for the sake of the question. So it would be nice if you could stop being a dick bag hiding behind your keyboard and have some courtesy when answering questions, thinking that you know what other people are experiencing. :rolleyes:

Or you could take .2 seconds and do a google search.

Then you are at spirit or the review never turned into your hired based on your post history. So hired by them or turned down.... but if you are at spirit or any other airline you are clueless on how they work... when the questions are so stupid they are trollish leaves no room to actually answer your ridiculous question.

Damn sunshine you this sensitive all the time?

Ask this question on the DL forum and you’ll likely get told the B6 pilots would have to re-interview :rolleyes:

Ok. But can I say “Fun Bags”?

Please ask it! Also ask if hats will be mandatory.

The answer is that since JB pilots now have a CBA that covers this eventuality, we are guaranteed seniority list merger.

Before the CBA we had virtually no protection whatsoever. Of course the anti-CBA folks don’t even consider all the scope/merger/successor ship protections that we gained with a CBA because it’s all about pay rates.

Thanks 74%. ;-)

These kinds of arguements always crack me up. Tell me, if UA came after us, what do you think the difference would have been between us being with ALPA or not?

Let me help you out. Negligible. This was one of the scare tactics the union used to sell this POS.

Did you know that SCOPE was one of the first items agreed to by the company. Did you ever ask yourself why that is? They fought tooth and nail for the littlist things, but gave that section away. Hmmm...

Is this your first Airline?

Yours? Don’t be obtuse. This isn’t your dad’s M&As anymore. Study the recent mergers and arbiters decisions and come back to the discussion educated.

It wasn’t meant to be insulting. You screen name would suggest it.
History doesn’t back you up. Alpa has a procedure for mergers, “values committees” do not. You’re speaking from a position of guessing how things may go.

You can’t seriously think we were better off without scope language and defined relationship with the company?

We WERE alpa during the AIP/TA vote. ALPA merger policy and McCaskill Bond would have guided a pre-CBA merger and we wouldn’t get fleeced any worse than we would under this CBA. If something like UAL were to happen then or now, we would/will get fleeced in an SLI. If it’s a merger of equals it’ll be pretty straight forward, regardless. And there would be no stapling. So saying that a yes vote for something that is largely substandard in other areas (not just pay rates like you claim the 26% is ****ed about) is justified by having merger protections is laughable.

Exactly.........

Picking two airlines is in no means random because which two you chose can and most likely will have very different outcomes.

As folks are mentioning ALPA merger policy will cover two carriers that are ALPA but as soon as one airline isn’t ALPA then it will change greatly. As in American-APA, and Southwest-SWAPA. The most recent being AirTran and Southwest. Ask them how that went.
And American doesn’t have the best history of being fair, to anyone other than AA pilots.

Of course it does. I was more referring to His reference to scope. Do you remember the 5 documents? Is that the iron clad protection that would have held up in terms of scope? United has Terrible Scope protection, and right now, UAL is asking for scope relief in some areas. I'll take all the protections we can get.

My reference to SCOPE was that we had the protection and didn't need to vote for the TA in order to "hurry up and get it". But that's not how it was sold, nor was it how many of the guys I flew with interpreted it since I heard all the time, "It's not great, but I wanted some protection because we don't know how long this will last if we vote no on this TA."

Ignorance combined with scare tactics. Special, special group we have here at B6.

Bless your heart.

You just summed up how I feel about APC in three words.

If you think this place is bad, go check out Blue Pilots.

Many of those details are negotiated as part of the merger with several parties involved, but they are going to be folded into the seniority list based on hire dates. I've never witnessed a case where every employee of one airline was tacked on to the bottom of the list of the other.

By the way, the only reason Delta would want JB is to throw sand in the face of SW, we have a time honored tradition of doing that to one another. Quite frankly, JB would be the perfect move for SW right now. Diversify the fleet, get the Bus drivers already in tact and trained, and not be so susceptible to the groundings of one type. Plus, that 321 neo has some long legs. She's a dandy! Even if you don't have the neo's yet, it's still the same type rating and their would be plenty of cash on hand to buy some if you merged with us, because SW is very cash heavy.

Don't you have a 1st class? We lose a lot of coach customer's because on other airlines, their is a chance you can upgrade to 1st if their is room and one is assertive about it. We can't offer that, and I personally sometimes fly our competitors for that exact opportunity.

It would mean a complete business model change to keep the JetBlue structure in SW operations. Overnight redeyes, first class, premium economy, multiple fleets (A320, A220, E190), assigned seating, bag fees, etc etc.

I don't think it would be worth it to SW to buy JB and change everything to the SW model. Put another way, the reason JB would be worth $X billion dollars is because of a lot of stuff SW wouldn't want to keep around anyway.

Why not? They did that to AirTran. They wouldn't keep any of the JB structure, just the planes, pilots, slots and gates. Maybe keep some redeyes.

Exactly what I was thinking.

JBA has a huge presence in two extremely valuable markets....NYC & BOS. I’m sorry if you don’t see the writing on the wall but it’s there.

I mean that with no ill will just that I’m sure there are other larger airlines that are salivating to get gates in those high yield markets.

AirTran's contract explicitly left it up to the survivor entity to determine their fate.

That is why they should have taken the first offer and were left with: Take the second offer or Say Hello to My Little Friend, Guadalupe.

Someone is going to want our gate space. Especially with delta pushing in Boston

I hope AS and B6 merge. :)