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Old 01-03-2020, 02:30 PM
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Dca? Huh huh?

I think Wobbin said 50 but that seems very very high.
Not that I want to talk any more about transcripts, but there is a transcript posted below robyn’s podcast and the number is 50 round trips.
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne View Post
Dca? Huh huh?

I think Wobbin said 50 but that seems very very high.
50 seems about right. Maybe 4-5 Europe destinations from bos and jfk @ 2-3sh flights per day each, give or take a few.
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Not that I want to talk any more about transcripts, but there is a transcript posted below robyn’s podcast and the number is 50 round trips.
Doh! I totally missed that. Thanks
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That does seem like a lot. I guess makes sense though, 26 A321 LR/XLRs doing 1 roundtrip per day with 1 as a spare a/c?
True. If they can make the 321 work and the XLR dies what they say it could do, I would see us getting more. We shall see.

I do wonder if the big guys think this will impact them or are they just like ehhhh.
If it’s anything like trans con mint it will definitely have some impact. Only problem is you know it will start off nice and slowly get dumbed down because of “costs”

I’m also interested if they will have real meals for coach or what they will do with the back half/3rd of the plane.
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That does seem like a lot. I guess makes sense though, 26 A321 LR/XLRs doing 1 roundtrip per day with 1 as a spare a/c?
He said 50 round trips. Gonna need a lot more than 26 planes to hit 50 RTs a day. It’s 10 years from now though...that’s forever and this airline will be a lot different/bigger by then. Our order book stops in 2025. I anticipate more orders extending it thru 2030 over the next few years. Guessing the 50 A220 options will be firmed up, and more XLRs or WBs announced in the next 2-3 years.

I’m also guessing WBs will be announced as soon as there is good TATL data. It’d be a big carrot to attract and retain newhires as our applicant pool dries up, and it’s a better use of valuable/limited slots. Also, WB rates would sure be nice to garner some yes votes on CBA2.0.

Just my .2 cents.
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne View Post
True. If they can make the 321 work and the XLR dies what they say it could do, I would see us getting more. We shall see.

I do wonder if the big guys think this will impact them or are they just like ehhhh.
If it’s anything like trans con mint it will definitely have some impact. Only problem is you know it will start off nice and slowly get dumbed down because of “costs”

I’m also interested if they will have real meals for coach or what they will do with the back half/3rd of the plane.
I don't think the big guys are really that worried yet, but they don't want to see JB succeed. If we can scale Europe service and fly BOS/JFK to primary and secondary Euro airports then that will sound some alarms at Skyteam/oneworld/Star HQs. Bypassing those connect hubs like LHR/AMS/CDG/FRA and making a 3 leg itinerary into 2 leg itinerary will be a game changer. But that's a long ways away and a big IF.

For the back cabin JB planes I think they should offer advanced food purchase (basically offer fresh food options when someone buys a ticket for a reasonable price) and also increased catering of fresh food for purchase onboard the flights. Buy a turkey sandwich for $10 at the same time you purchase a ticket, or pay $15 onboard the aircraft day of flight.
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Old 01-03-2020, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jamesholzhauer View Post
He said 50 round trips. Gonna need a lot more than 26 planes to hit 50 RTs a day. It’s 10 years from now though...that’s forever and this airline will be a lot different/bigger by then. Our order book stops in 2025. I anticipate more orders extending it thru 2030 over the next few years. Guessing the 50 A220 options will be firmed up, and more XLRs or WBs announced in the next 2-3 years.

I’m also guessing WBs will be announced as soon as there is good TATL data. It’d be a big carrot to attract and retain newhires as our applicant pool dries up, and it’s a better use of valuable/limited slots. Also, WB rates would sure be nice to garner some yes votes on CBA2.0.

Just my .2 cents.
Ahh crap, I was thinking 25 planes operating 2 legs equals 50 flights, not 50 roundtrips. Maffs.

I agree WBs will make sense if the first few years of LR/XLR flying goes well. Additional XLRs (maybe even LRs) would help with smaller cities in both the US and Europe. BOS-EDI, BDL-LGW type of thing.

What do you guys think about the prospect of using a 321LR for say Summer TATL service, then at the end of season pulling the aux tank out of the cargo compartment and running it JFK-FLL for the winter months? Europe airport slots are already split up by season, so you could just fly summer routes to a lot of smaller places without the seasonality risk in TATL?
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206 View Post
Ahh crap, I was thinking 25 planes operating 2 legs equals 50 flights, not 50 roundtrips. Maffs.

I agree WBs will make sense if the first few years of LR/XLR flying goes well. Additional XLRs (maybe even LRs) would help with smaller cities in both the US and Europe. BOS-EDI, BDL-LGW type of thing.

What do you guys think about the prospect of using a 321LR for say Summer TATL service, then at the end of season pulling the aux tank out of the cargo compartment and running it JFK-FLL for the winter months? Europe airport slots are already split up by season, so you could just fly summer routes to a lot of smaller places without the seasonality risk in TATL?
I don’t think the tanks are meant to be installed/removed routinely. Something was mentioned about that on a.net. Also, with the mint heavy config and fewer overall seats than even our current mint planes, using it on a short trunk route like FLL doesn’t make sense...and doing a seasonal seat reconfig isn’t viable. I could see it added to a LAX/SFO/SEA schedule or something if not used for Europe. Realistically I see it staying on Europe though...even during the off season.

I do think the LR is done tho...once the XLR is out, the LR won’t even be a thing...it’ll just be another NEO option/WV (0/1/2/3 ACTs). But the XLR makes a lot more sense than the LR, better use of weight and space to hold gas, and not as restricted westbound with winds, and more flexibility in general as to where it can fly.
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Originally Posted by jamesholzhauer View Post
He said 50 round trips. Gonna need a lot more than 26 planes to hit 50 RTs a day. It’s 10 years from now though...that’s forever and this airline will be a lot different/bigger by then. Our order book stops in 2025. I anticipate more orders extending it thru 2030 over the next few years. Guessing the 50 A220 options will be firmed up, and more XLRs or WBs announced in the next 2-3 years.

I’m also guessing WBs will be announced as soon as there is good TATL data. It’d be a big carrot to attract and retain newhires as our applicant pool dries up, and it’s a better use of valuable/limited slots. Also, WB rates would sure be nice to garner some yes votes on CBA2.0.

Just my .2 cents.

Well given Paul’s email that pool might de dry now.
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Old 01-03-2020, 04:31 PM
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I came here looking for hope, your post did just that, I applied during the last October window, and, was told I moved forward to the video interview mid November 2019, I have yet to get it, is that unusual? Or it dose take that long to get processed into that phase and keep the hope alive. Thanks
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