Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3401631)

He did sound very serious about this. He mentioned the failed VA purchase to which he said today to the tune of “we aren’t talking about 50 planes with a California presence, this is hundreds of planes with an extensive order book, with a national presence”. Basically as bad as we may have wanted VA, we want NK much more.

JBLUs 190s are all gone by 2026 and there aren’t any orders after 2025. JBLU wants to go all Airbus fleet and the order book for Airbus is long and established (that’s what she said). I don’t know how JBLU grows without buying an airline with aircraft on order and pilots ready to fly them.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3401631)

He did sound very serious about this. He mentioned the failed VA purchase to which he said today to the tune of “we aren’t talking about 50 planes with a California presence, this is hundreds of planes with an extensive order book, with a national presence”. Basically as bad as we may have wanted VA, we want NK much more.

JBLUs 190s are all gone by 2026 and there aren’t any orders after 2025. JBLU wants to go all Airbus fleet and the order book for Airbus is long and established (that’s what she said). I don’t know how JBLU grows without buying an airline with aircraft on order and pilots ready to fly them.

Originally Posted by Roy Biggins (Post 3401625)

JetBlue does seem pretty aggressive about this. I think we were all in shock when the news popped. Especially a day after LOA 17 was ratified and we gave scope relief to AA. Which reminds me, I hope we can get Spirit’s MEC to replace ours. 😃

Originally Posted by KNOTAPILOT (Post 3401685)

How much would it cost to paint, put TVs, Wifi, and retrofit the spirit planes? Over how long? What do you tell the customers that were expecting a certain amount of legroom or wifi on a plane? Do we not lose spirit customers by having to raise prices due to the above? Do we not lose Jetblue customers by not offering the things we used to? I think all the questions above cost a lotttt of money. Still baffled by the big offer by JetBlue. Gutsy move. Other than expecting to get shafted on seniority integration I am very curious of what happens with JetBlue in the next 10 years.

Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3401638)

where is this info? I am intrigued to watch it or read it

Originally Posted by KNOTAPILOT (Post 3401685)

How much would it cost to paint, put TVs, Wifi, and retrofit the spirit planes? Over how long? What do you tell the customers that were expecting a certain amount of legroom or wifi on a plane? Do we not lose spirit customers by having to raise prices due to the above? Do we not lose Jetblue customers by not offering the things we used to? I think all the questions above cost a lotttt of money. Still baffled by the big offer by JetBlue. Gutsy move. Other than expecting to get shafted on seniority integration I am very curious of what happens with JetBlue in the next 10 years.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3401671)

If JB wants Airbuses, JB will get Airbuses, from Airbus.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3401698)

JetBlue investor conference call regarding the deal, posted online.



This was discussed in the call as well. They acknowledge the cost but won’t say how much. They are selling the idea that Spirit passengers just don’t travel on price but also convenience if routes, so this brings more opportunities for them (I know, weak). They were very murky on the details of how to get the planes changed over without affecting operations



Your CEO and CFO don’t seem as confident as you. One of the main things they kept addressing is their lack of orders, the retiring of the 190s and how hard it is to get planes right now. This was said over and over. I’m sure they can get Airbuses from Airbus…maybe in 2030. Like it or not, you want new planes with new engines, that comes with Spirit. Ursula and Robin made this clear

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3401704)

You don't understand the dog and pony show. They are selling and explaining... If they wanted more Airbuses, they would place a follow-on order. They know when their deliveries run out, and when they would need to place an order to get more. They literally have a bat phone that directly connects them to Airbus.

If they actually were unable to get Airbuses, when they wanted them, they would have placed an order already to get them later, they wouldn't just GIVE UP! Think about it! You want Airbuses in 2026, Airbus says you can't have any until 2028, and JB says no thanks?!?

Recognize when you are being manipulated and being subject to the dog and pony show. If the merger happens, you will be better prepared for this company if you learn the management style now.

Originally Posted by KNOTAPILOT (Post 3401685)

How much would it cost to paint, put TVs, Wifi, and retrofit the spirit planes? Over how long? What do you tell the customers that were expecting a certain amount of legroom or wifi on a plane? Do we not lose spirit customers by having to raise prices due to the above? Do we not lose Jetblue customers by not offering the things we used to? I think all the questions above cost a lotttt of money. Still baffled by the big offer by JetBlue. Gutsy move. Other than expecting to get shafted on seniority integration I am very curious of what happens with JetBlue in the next 10 years.

Originally Posted by morerudder69 (Post 3401689)

Yeah but you can't replace the 60% of people here with the mindset that 3% of pay, and probably 1.5% of pay or less after taxes, is worth giving up job protections and potential expansion into Europe.