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Bluedriver 04-06-2022 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3401707)
I’m happy you have it all figured out. Remember a lot of us have been under Franke, so “management issues” aren’t new to us.

Don't mean to be a Richard, but they have the order book they want, or they would have changed it. At the very least, worst case, they would place an order for deliveries later than they want, and ask to be put on the list for move-ups in case another airline cancelled. If they haven't done that, then they have the order book they want.

Excargodog 04-06-2022 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3401725)
Don't mean to be a Richard, but they have the order book they want, or they would have changed it. At the very least, worst case, they would place an order for deliveries later than they want, and ask to be put on the list for move-ups in case another airline cancelled. If they haven't done that, then they have the order book they want.

If you want 50 aircraft at the rate of two a month, you talk to Airbus. If you want 160 airbuses all at once - and the pilots to fly them - you buy an airline.

Popeye0537 04-06-2022 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by KNOTAPILOT (Post 3401717)
Well there goes the whole Europe thing regardless. I was once excited to expand to Europe, Hawaii, and the Deep South. Maybe even thought about heavies. Now the focus will be domestic and figuring out the clusterfuk that will be merging with such a different product.

LOL, keep dreaming ! You will be going deep south, no money in Hawaii with southwest already there. Time to update your apps, B6 was never going to be a legacy.

BeatNavy 04-07-2022 12:46 AM


Originally Posted by Popeye0537 (Post 3401764)
LOL, keep dreaming ! You will be going deep south, no money in Hawaii with southwest already there. Time to update your apps, B6 was never going to be a legacy.

B6 is never going to be a legacy because B6 didn’t conduct interstate travel prior to deregulation, which is the definition of “legacy.” If you mean full service or network/global carrier as opposed to a LCC or domestic carrier, sure, if that’s what you want to believe.

BeatNavy 04-07-2022 12:59 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3401725)
Don't mean to be a Richard, but they have the order book they want, or they would have changed it. At the very least, worst case, they would place an order for deliveries later than they want, and ask to be put on the list for move-ups in case another airline cancelled. If they haven't done that, then they have the order book they want.

Ursula said recently that more than just the 11 A320s that are being returned next year and the year after will be due for replacement soon and to expect an RFP for their replacement. In the next 5 years, when the current order book ends, about 100 of the 320s will be 20 years old, by 2030 all but 14 will be 20, obviously with high cycle/hours for their age. The cost of that replacement directly from Airbus would be about the same price as buying spirit, maybe more. I’m guessing they see what happens with this merger to see if they inherit an existing order book (at which time they will likely convert the 319NEOs to 220s or 321s), and/or another follow-on attempt to merge, and if none of that happens they make another order for 2027 onward when the current deliveries stop.

Roy Biggins 04-07-2022 03:46 AM


Originally Posted by KNOTAPILOT (Post 3401717)
Well there goes the whole Europe thing regardless. I was once excited to expand to Europe, Hawaii, and the Deep South. Maybe even thought about heavies. Now the focus will be domestic and figuring out the clusterfuk that will be merging with such a different product.

I wouldn’t say that necessarily. I was thinking the opposite. Now they would have their own domestic feed to get people on their metal from St. Louis, Detroit, (insert Midwest city) and get them to Boston or NY and connect to Europe. Our CEO wants to expand into Europe. If this did get approved, I could see the DOJ shutting down the AA join venture. Maybe JB was hedging their bet? Who knows

Bgood 04-07-2022 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3401698)
JetBlue investor conference call regarding the deal, posted online.

Ok thanks. Where online can I find this? Daddy google didnt help much.

todd1200 04-07-2022 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3402072)
Ok thanks. Where online can I find this? Daddy google didnt help much.

https://services.choruscall.com/medi...astid=9NpTNiqP

Bgood 04-07-2022 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 3402081)


Clutch! Thanks

TangoIndiaMike1 04-07-2022 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3401754)
If you want 50 aircraft at the rate of two a month, you talk to Airbus. If you want 160 airbuses all at once - and the pilots to fly them - you buy an airline.


Don’t forget g4. They just have to transition to a full 737 fleet and sell off the Airbus fleet to anyone who’s buying.


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