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Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3493333)

I wish all pairings were cummutable. I would never want to leave.

jesus cristos….it took almost eight hours to get this comment. I couldn’t sleep last night wondering if someone was going to beat me to it. Darn. Mainline…either you are the only one who can spell or you are the only one with a sense of humor…either way you’re +1 in my book!

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Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3493094)

Nobody on the JB list will get "a thousand younger NK pilots above" them when going from pure DOH to pure RS. The maximum is 800 extra NK pilots.
It is impossible for me to see how many of those are younger, but based on DOH vs RS, it looks like the biggest hiring gap is 8 years, most of the time its around 6, and until 2002, DOH favors NK. Pure Guess, worst case scenario, is for a 2005 JB guy getting an extra 400 younger guys ahead. And pure RS wont happen.

At 27% RS (because of the biggest gap between DOH and RS):
JB #1200 DOH 2006. after merger at DOH #1400 (19%), at RS #2000, at 50% 1600 (22%), so an extra 200 NK in front vs DOH.
NK #800 DOH 2014 after merger at DOH 3300 (45%), at RS #2001, at 50% 2700 (36%), so an extra 1900 JB in front vs RS.

I don't know what is "fair", just don't believe in slinging numbers without backing it up.

Why are people talking relative seniority? The most recent example of an industry arbitrated award absolutely killed the idea of "relative seniority" and put longevity at a very high pedestal for a carrier that had narrowbody only aircraft.

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3493655)

this. Relative seniority is…. Relative and changes. Longevity does not.

What was the Longevity/Relative Seniority SLI ratio for Alaska/Virgin?

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3493655)

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Originally Posted by Sludgefund (Post 3493930)

What was the Longevity/Relative Seniority SLI ratio for Alaska/Virgin?

I was told 60% Longevity/40% Relative Seniority.

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Originally Posted by likeitis (Post 3494045)

I was told 60% Longevity/40% Relative Seniority.

60% longevity/40% status+category

While it may seem like Status/Category is the same as relative seniority they can be very different. Shy or anyone else correct me if I am wrong but when the arbitrator makes the status/category list he places every pilot into what the highest paying position their seniority could hold. So if you're #200 Jetblue seniority number but still bid as an FO it doesn't matter in the SLI because the arbitrator will consider you to be an A320 CA for purposes of the status category list. Conversely, if you are bidding as a junior E190 CA you might be considered an A320 FO for the status/cat list.

Then once the arbitrator places everyone into their highest paying seat he will merge the lists from two companies. All narrow body CAs will get shuffled together from the two companies, then narrow body FOs. This completes the Status/Category list and your sen# on that combined list is given a weighting for the final merged list (40% weight in the case of AS/VX).

This is an overly simplified explanation and an arbitrator could decide to shuffle together the pilots at some ratio, or maybe a block of ABC pilots before XYZ pilots. Widebody vs Narrowbody makes things more complicated, but we won't have that with our situation.