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Roy Biggins 09-06-2022 02:03 PM
Originally Posted by I was inverted (Post 3490335)
According to the other site and what I’ve heard separately, he doesn’t want to commute to terrible schedules anymore, doesn’t have a great feeling about the direction jetblue is headed having been one of two airlines that lost money last quarter (merging with the other), questions management’s ability to pull this off, and lives near a base at UAL in which he can upgrade in a year and can conceivably have about the same pay and a better QOL cutting out his commute than he’d have even at his seniority at jetblue for the next 15 years. Big pay cut first year, by his math he will catch up in 8-9 years, maybe sooner depending on contract cycles, then be above where he’d be at B6 after that for his last 5 years.
Thats a huge gamble predicated on ‘what if’s’. Reserve at United is better than a 17 year Captian bid here? Come on now. There’s so many moving parts associate with this decision that could abruptly change….it’s hard to even quantify. I get the driving to work part though.

I was inverted 09-06-2022 02:14 PM
Originally Posted by Roy Biggins (Post 3490361)
Thats a huge gamble predicated on ‘what if’s’. Reserve at United is better than a 17 year Captian bid here? Come on now. There’s so many moving parts associate with this decision that could abruptly change….it’s hard to even quantify. I get the driving to work part though.
Given their current and planned hiring rate (I was told today by someone in their training center that 400 a month is the new goal, maybe a UAL passerby here can confirm/deny), and given their WB to NB ratio along with multiple base options, and their retirements, if you live near a junior base there, it’s not really a huge gamble. They likely aren’t going anywhere (too big to fail). They are currently making more money than B6 as a company. They are hiring more and retiring more. They don’t have a merger on the horizon. They are likely to get a new (and better) contract before B6. Etc. I don’t see it as a huge downside risk for someone within driving distance to IAD to be honest. NB movement (and WB movement for that matter) appears to be happening at unprecedented rates.

nuball5 09-06-2022 03:06 PM
Who cares, good luck to him. The majority of the pilot group moves up a number and he gets to start over somewhere that he sees as a better move or fit.

Corppilot36 09-06-2022 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by ballgame (Post 3489140)
CJO with NK with a class date in about a month. Waiting to hear from B6, with a possible CJO, If successful, any advice on which one I should take? TIA
Let’s see, both fly the same type airplane but one pays up to 40% less than the other… umm 🤔 decisions…

Sludgefund 09-06-2022 03:32 PM
Snapshot 7/28

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3489889)
When does (or did) the snapshot get taken on seniority? Did it start when the NK BOD recommended the deal? Or when the stockholders actually take a vote?

mountainsky9 09-08-2022 07:14 PM
Hi. How much are reserve FOs used in both JFK and FLL in the 320?

Bgood 09-09-2022 02:36 AM
Originally Posted by mountainsky9 (Post 3491802)
Hi. How much are reserve FOs used in both JFK and FLL in the 320?
JFK - everyday (yeah I'm a little salty for being used and breaking guarantee for several months in a row, but you get the idea)
FLL - One or 2 reserve blocks a month

RiddleEagle18 09-09-2022 03:57 AM
B6 or NK?
 
Originally Posted by gibmaerd (Post 3490094)
lol nah, won’t bother responding anymore just had to call him out on his bull****

I love that you want to die on this hill

Name redacted 749 FLL 320 CA 3/16/05 9/7/22 49 United


Ok he “retired” and then went to United. If that makes you feel better than he quit and went to United.


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Bluedriver 09-09-2022 04:45 AM
Originally Posted by I was inverted (Post 3490335)
According to the other site and what I’ve heard separately, he doesn’t want to commute to terrible schedules anymore, doesn’t have a great feeling about the direction jetblue is headed having been one of two airlines that lost money last quarter (merging with the other), questions management’s ability to pull this off, and lives near a base at UAL in which he can upgrade in a year and can conceivably have about the same pay and a better QOL cutting out his commute than he’d have even at his seniority at jetblue for the next 15 years. Big pay cut first year, by his math he will catch up in 8-9 years, maybe sooner depending on contract cycles, then be above where he’d be at B6 after that for his last 5 years.
Pairings ARE our QOL. The way the pairings have been degrading terribly lately I don't blame anyone for leaving.

If you are thinking of coming to JB, just know the pairings/trips are as bad as any I've ever seen before. If you will be a commuter, like half the airline, good luck with that.

And they wonder why sick calls are up...

skblu 09-09-2022 07:21 AM
Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3491912)
Pairings ARE our QOL. The way the pairings have been degrading terribly lately I don't blame anyone for leaving.

If you are thinking of coming to JB, just know the pairings/trips are as bad as any I've ever seen before. If you will be a commuter, like half the airline, good luck with that.

And they wonder why sick calls are up...
What is getting worse about the pairings? Lower credit? More red eyes? Long airport sits with short overnights?


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