Just remember, when this passes 75-25, and spirits passes, the company will remember that all these bluebelles and taxibus drivers are willing to accept rates $43 ($70 in spirits case) less than delta’s top rates with zero profit sharing. They won’t forget that in JCBA negotiations. All a yes vote does at both companies is confirm your low self-worth to the jetblue c suite and BOD going forward, and they’ll always be able to count on you getting them next time.

We all know it’s because Irv has a soft spot for BW. He can say whatever he wants with no ramifications but everyone else is held to a different standard.

You yes voters do realize that our “snap up” happens a month before Alaska’s “snap up,” right? So, they’ll have higher pay rates plus their profit sharing.

Don’t forget all the negotiating capital we spent on LOA 17 to separate ourselves from Alaska.

But hey, at least we’ll be the number 6 best paid passenger carrier. And we’ll get paid lots more than most people in third world countries.

That being said, I’m not too worried because we’ll get ‘‘em next time, amirite?

Here is the issue with that. There will be so much other things/improvements in that JCBA TA, that you'll get the same story of "We'll get em next time" for Profit Sharing. If we can't stand our ground with Only 2 items serving as distraction (pay rates and weak snap up language), what makes you think the group will stand it's ground when a whole JCBA (with MULTIPLE items) is placed before us without PS? Genuine question.


Imo, this was theee best time to get PS. This is because we were solely focused COMPENSATION (pay rates, per diem, and profit sharing), 3 items. We couldn't even do that. Then we have ppl like Halon, specifically, that would sell his left arm, 4 of his front teeth, and 1 and a half of his a$$ cheeks to be below industry standards, coming over to join the JCBA fight. Lol. Hard to be confident with that.

It would be a disgrace if this passes , and it will have a terrible effect on future negotiations.I’m on probation and I wasn’t even considering UAL AA or DL until now.I don’t want to be part of a weak pilot group for the next 40 years. offering 2k bonus to people that turned down 150k and a flow to come here is insulting and an invitation to leave so I will. It is so disrespectful to downgrade new hires while we do the dirty job and eat sh*t on scr, and we do it with joy and professionalism but no need to spit on our faces like that.

I’d leave if I were you. I’m debating it and I’ve been here a long time. That said, last TA with a signing bonus gave a lot to new guys, many of whom took the money on their way out the door, which caused a lot of pis5ed off guys. No real good way to split that up without ticking off one demographic. Honestly the best way is to just use a percentage of the previous year’s earnings, but the new guys would get nada that way.

The best way is to fix this atrocious operation , give ALL pilots competitive rates and a profit sharing that actually exists. No one gives a damn about a one time 17k check.

You should absolutely go to DAL, UAL, FDX or UPS. This place is a dead end with our current group of pilots, and as it gains a name for itself as an "ultra discount airline with ultra discount pilots" the only people staying will be pilots who are OK with that. Those pilots will represent themselves and vote that way. As much as I would love having someone with some self worth voting with us, you need to look out for number one and cut this place off EARLY. I stuck around expecting a change and its not coming. Now I'm more or less stuck. Don't be me.

About the check, what is it exactly? Is it a substitute for profit sharing? Is it supposed to be retro?

I guess its whatever you want it to be to justify a yes vote. I love how they made it a set amount with no credit given for longevity or credit hours. I mean, a 1 year guy with a class date at United gets the same amount as a 9 year FO. Its almost like they are trying to buy his vote on the way out the door just like they did in LOA17...

Nah. That couldn't be it.

I'm fine with longevity in the bonus, but have no interest in W2 or credit hours. The bot-boys and FLICA refreshers already have all the reward they are due, and then some.

Longevity is fine. Seat is kinda BS if you ask me.