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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
(Post 3572018)
Tell me the equipment you'd be flying with both airlines to Europe and the average pay/PS you'll get at each.
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Originally Posted by BusBoi
(Post 3572042)
Don't care and a lot of money either way.
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Originally Posted by BusBoi
(Post 3572042)
Don't care and a lot of money either way.
Better than Mesa, right?! |
Originally Posted by BunkerF16
(Post 3572046)
Lol. Exhibit #100.
Better than Mesa, right?! |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 3572045)
With that level of understanding, please go to UAL, or anywhere.
The issue with JB is you HAVE to live in NYC to unlock that level of flexibility and earning potential. The second you have to commute, I don't see any real advantage of staying at B6 over going to legacy. There's less metal to get to work and now you're bidding for commutable trips at an airline that has a significant % of commuters, so there goes your trip quality as you get stuck with the SDQ redeyes. Our other bases are either way too senior to be feasible as a base (FLL/MCO) for someone relatively new, or they're too small and limited (EWR). Spirit merger really needs to succeed in opening up the country for us. |
Originally Posted by TheStarMan
(Post 3572079)
If you're willing to live in NYC, which he already does, he's not wrong. United will fly XLR's to Europe before not too long, and WB flying at UA is years of global reserve and isn't for everyone (although who knows how short that will become).
The issue with JB is you HAVE to live in NYC to unlock that level of flexibility and earning potential. The second you have to commute, I don't see any real advantage of staying at B6 over going to legacy. There's less metal to get to work and now you're bidding for commutable trips at an airline that has a significant % of commuters, so there goes your trip quality as you get stuck with the SDQ redeyes. Our other bases are either way too senior to be feasible as a base (FLL/MCO) for someone relatively new, or they're too small and limited (EWR). Spirit merger really needs to succeed in opening up the country for us. |
Originally Posted by nuball5
(Post 3572582)
Boston says hi.
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Originally Posted by TheStarMan
(Post 3571073)
Depends on the base and where you'd be happy living. I live in NY because the schedule flexibility and opportunity to earn extra is hard to ignore at this stage in my life, but it's difficult having to pick between living in a cramped, high cost of living city or commuting and watching your trip (and life) quality degrade.
If you live in base and have some seniority, IMO the 320 trip quality at JetBlue is comparatively better than my 737/320 friends at United at the same relative seniority (who also live in base), and they're mostly stuck with their schedules as it's far more difficult to drop and trade over there. The advantage for them, however, is they're living in a state that has 0 income tax and you can actually afford a home, unlike NYC. That's a significant advantage. It will take about 20 years at B6 for half the current seniority list to retire. At UA that will happen in closer to 10. 20 years at UA and close to 70 percent of the current list will be retired. With the 190 retirements I believe we'll see upgrade times increase due to the relative parity between the 320 and 220 fleets. This will likely add to a degradation in QOL for a large portion of our seniority list. |
Originally Posted by Flyhayes
(Post 3572759)
With the 190 retirements I believe we'll see upgrade times increase due to the relative parity between the 320 and 220 fleets.
https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/p...its-firm-order and another 70 or so 320 variants Not to mention the ones NK has on order, 33 this year alone. Combined, they will be looking at a fleet of 675 aircraft by 2027. https://airlinegeeks.com/2022/04/06/...-spirit-offer/ Granted, neither JB or NK have anything like the retirement lists of some of the legacies, but there is a lot of growth in those order books. Yeah, once they stop increasing the fleet size things will slow down to steady state, upgrades limited to retirements, but I don’t think that’s happening any time soon. Eventually, yeah maybe. Soon? That sure isn’t the plan. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3572784)
Not saying you are wrong but I don’t understand the math. Aren’t there aircraft on order to replace the 190s?
https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/p...its-firm-order and another 70 or so 320 variants Not to mention the ones NK has on order, 33 this year alone. Combined, they will be looking at a fleet of 675 aircraft by 2027. https://airlinegeeks.com/2022/04/06/...-spirit-offer/ Granted, neither JB or NK have anything like the retirement lists of some of the legacies, but there is a lot of growth in those order books. Yeah, once they stop increasing the fleet size things will slow down to steady state, upgrades limited to retirements, but I don’t think that’s happening any time soon. Eventually, yeah maybe. Soon? That sure isn’t the plan. |
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