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Bgood 03-12-2023 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by Roy Biggins (Post 3606505)
I didn’t see that 😂 ALYflyer knows better! Come on, man (My best Joe Biden voice)

🤭🤭😅

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AYLflyer 03-12-2023 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by Roy Biggins (Post 3606505)
I didn’t see that 😂 ALYflyer knows better! Come on, man (My best Joe Biden voice)

You're misreading what I said. The OP is talking about pay rates, and myself and a couple others said that pilots are short sighted, and the only thing they look for in the contract is money when the language comes out. From my years at the regionals to my time here, it's always "What's first year pay!? What's the top pay rate!?" while completely skipping the rest of the contract. My point was that the AA CEO knows this and he threw the pilots a bone and said "You guys are always taking about Delta, here's the money, now get back to work", when the reality is that the work rules are just as important, if not more important than the pay rates.

Of course I want BOTH, however if JB wants to pay me $500/hr but have nothing but in-base layovers, minimum credit pairings and other crap rules that makes our QOL tank, they can take the money and shove it.

BernieM86 03-13-2023 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by AYLflyer (Post 3606745)
You're misreading what I said. The OP is talking about pay rates, and myself and a couple others said that pilots are short sighted, and the only thing they look for in the contract is money when the language comes out. From my years at the regionals to my time here, it's always "What's first year pay!? What's the top pay rate!?" while completely skipping the rest of the contract. My point was that the AA CEO knows this and he threw the pilots a bone and said "You guys are always taking about Delta, here's the money, now get back to work", when the reality is that the work rules are just as important, if not more important than the pay rates.

Of course I want BOTH, however if JB wants to pay me $500/hr but have nothing but in-base layovers, minimum credit pairings and other crap rules that makes our QOL tank, they can take the money and shove it.

I think you’re pretty spot on here. Skywest has a similar story, which is why a lot of their guys are leaving in droves when they could stay for whatever deal thing they have. Guys were talking about that they are now pretty much contactable 24/7 via their iPads, along with some other concessions that raises some eyebrows. QOL is important and I think must be addressed during JCBA time. Not going to roll over for major concessions if they try to use PS as a red herring to cover up their plans in other areas either.

Bluedriver 03-14-2023 02:25 AM


Originally Posted by BernieM86 (Post 3606997)
I think you’re pretty spot on here. Skywest has a similar story, which is why a lot of their guys are leaving in droves when they could stay for whatever deal thing they have. Guys were talking about that they are now pretty much contactable 24/7 via their iPads, along with some other concessions that raises some eyebrows. QOL is important and I think must be addressed during JCBA time. Not going to roll over for major concessions if they try to use PS as a red herring to cover up their plans in other areas either.

This entire JCBA better be an "AND" contract. Pay rates *AND* work rules/QOL *AND* retirement *AND* benefits *ANDDDDD* Profit Sharing.


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