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Old 04-02-2023 | 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Most would not reasonably call that a domicile closure. If you could drive to work in LGB you can still drive to work at LAX. When pilots worry about their "base" being closed they are primarily worried about becoming commuters, which isn't what happened in LA. How the union/JB chose to have the positions all rebid is another matter, but JB still kept a base in the Los Angeles greater catchment area. You are arguing just to argue on this one. And the new base in the same catchment area is set to be 2-3x the size of the old base, which will help everyone in the bases seniority. That's an Overall win even if your drive got a little longer.

Alpa disagreed and it cost me and many others a tremendous amount of seniority in my base.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Forward lav
Alpa disagreed and it cost me and many others a tremendous amount of seniority in my base.
Agree, not sure I agree with the way they did that. Did you drive to LGB? Do you drive to LAX?
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Old 04-02-2023 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Most would not reasonably call that a domicile closure. If you could drive to work in LGB you can still drive to work at LAX. When pilots worry about their "base" being closed they are primarily worried about becoming commuters, which isn't what happened in LA. How the union/JB chose to have the positions all rebid is another matter, but JB still kept a base in the Los Angeles greater catchment area. You are arguing just to argue on this one. And the new base in the same catchment area is set to be 2-3x the size of the old base, which will help everyone in the bases seniority. That's an Overall win even if your drive got a little longer.
Wrong,

Your overall win cost me and 60 others like me a driving commute on the other side of the country.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluediver
Wrong,

Your overall win cost me and 60 others like me a driving commute on the other side of the country.
Because of the way ALPA made it be rebid. Which I do NOT agree with.

When you can hold LAX, will you drive to work?

I'm sure the thousands of pilots over their careers who actually had their bases close, and had to commute permanently have a lot of sympathy for you.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Because of the way ALPA made it be rebid. Which I do NOT agree with.

When you can hold LAX, will you drive to work?

I'm sure the thousands of pilots over their careers who actually had their bases close, and had to commute permanently have a lot of sympathy for you.

You aren’t understanding. I never was in LAX or LGB. Your non base closer was handled exactly like a base closer and cost pilots on the other side of the country to lose their driving commute, equipment and or seat. It most definitely caused havoc and was not an overwhelming win for anyone. That’s what I commented on. Then to have the prior claim cancelled out and watch Jr guys be able to use theirs was a real treat. I don’t care what you called it closer or not it was a terrible way to do for myself and many others.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Agree, not sure I agree with the way they did that. Did you drive to LGB? Do you drive to LAX?
I drove to both. It was a co terminal. Wasn’t cool the way it was handled.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 08:15 AM
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To my original point, I'm mentally committed to being a commuter whether that's to JFK or ATL -- hence why I'm not going the "pick the airline/base you can drive to" because it isn't that guaranteed (unless we are taking Delta/ATL). And also mentally open if not committed to just buying tickets to make that commute less onerous.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Forward lav
I drove to both. It was a co terminal. Wasn’t cool the way it was handled.
Completely agree. Should have had a negotiated compromise when the base moved 22 ***MILE******* down the road.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Completely agree. Should have had a negotiated compromise when the base moved 22 ***MILE******* down the road.
Not necessarily, however that pilots had to bid into a new base instead of just slide the whole base 22 miles north means it was essentially handled as a base being closed and opening up a new base.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Completely agree. Should have had a negotiated compromise when the base moved 22 ***MILE******* down the road.
That’s a map of Long Beach, which we’re in. On the border of Los Angeles, which is where LAX is. 22 MILES away. Get yourself a new map.
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