Training Pay at JB
 

Can anyone tell me the current pay for new hires while in training. Thank you

2.33 Hours per day, at $28.57 per Hour.

This works out to $66.57 per day, or ~$2000 per month, until LOE completion or 45 days after DOH, whichever comes first.

Yeah. It’s terrible, and embarrassing that it’s still like this in 2023.

2000 per month until you pass your LOE. I seem to remember there was an exception to this if your LOE takes longer than a certain amount of time, but I was unable to find a reference.

Thank you for the info, that is sad!

I can’t believe the company just put out an LOA and did not address this. 😞

Not trying to throw shade, but suck it up. It’s ONLY 45 days out of your career. Y’all have it so easy, stop complaining.

ALPA does not bargain on behalf of those who are not even yet on property. If the company finds training pay to be a hindrance to hiring they can come to ALPA with an LOA that raises training pay in exchange for enhancements to line pilots' QOL and/or pay.

Do they even need to negotiate with ALPA if they wanted to change newhire pay? I thought a newhire wasn't covered under the CBA or ALPA til they finished LOE

Regardless, it’s a perfect intro and insight for newhires to realize how they will be compensated, treated, and valued by their employer over a career at jetblue. Gotta teach the core values early. Something about $avety or something.

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I’ve been out of the “know” for awhile, but does DAL still not pay or provide hotel for initial new hires?

DAL new hires are provided hotels, as well as Positive Space to/from their home any time they have 48 hours off.

Training Pay is about $8,300/mo

Oof. JB was on my list of potential places to go, but this alone steers me away. Maybe that's their goal to begin with.

Of a million reasons to choose an airline, training compensation is number 999,999.

Don’t be short sighted. If the average hire is 30 years old, you will spend .0035% of your career in new hire training. Make a list of 10 things that matter to you in a career destination and try to go there.

For years Delta didn’t cover hotels for training. UPS still pays $52 year one. But Delta is Delta and year two at UPS is $199. Focus on what career items matter.

Fair points but when regionals pay more during training on candidates who have never touched a jet (a higher risk of wash out) and then some majors pay this low to people who have 121 experience (lower risk now) it makes the company look really bad.

It seems the easy solution here is for you to not take a job at JetBlue. While the training pay is an issue, it shouldn't be the type of issue that you make career decisions on.

Maybe it’s a case of letting your garden weed itself? If you’re looking for a quick type rating while waiting on a legacy to call, then training pay is a big deal. If you’re planning on spending a few decades here, training pay barely matters.

I was actually looking at JB as a potential long term thing for me because it checks pretty much every box for my lifestyle. It just sucks to see the training pay low cause in a way it's pretty disrespectful. "We'll train ya but we got almost no faith in you so we don't wanna pay you too much yet."

Well.... I guess well have to say SEEEAAAYUUUUHHHHH

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If you were considering JB as a long term “thing” that checks pretty much every box however are so easily offended by your first month or two of pay I don’t know what to tell you!

This is where the industry is in 2023.

I’ll take “things in 2007 I’d never dreamt I would have heard in for $500 Alex.”

“Sure Delta is great and all and I’ll get huge profit sharing checks and retire with $5 million dollars, but they make you cover the costs of your own hotel in training. Really kills my vibe.”

Back in 2007 JetBlue would hire CRJ First Officers with only 6,000 or 7,000 hours and no TPIC… but the FO would need to go buy an ATP rating before they’d get the JetBlue interview.

Kids today are scratching their heads wondering “Why would a CRJ FO have 7,000 hours?”

So true.....

-Pay for training
-Gulfstream. The only airline in the world where the FO was paying more than the passengers.
-Colgans ATP written interview test followed by NDB holds in a level D beech 1900 sim to make $18 an hour.

Off my soapbox. Was a fun trip down memory lane lads. Now get off my lawn.

Shave a couple thou off the top and add it to the training pay. Pretty simple.

Also being treated like **** by companies in the past is not an excuse to excuse it now. Being taken advantage of is being taken advantage of regardless of the year.

Delta may pay you $8300, but do they put you up in a collaborative, culture building, wonderland or provide you with healthy meals in a relaxed environment so all you need to worry about is nothing at all?

Go away…. We don’t want some stuck up kid Pilot worried about $2000.

Truly. That's the type of guy who is going to vote "yes" to the crappy first offer on the next contract.

Sounds like you guys already voted yes on this ****ty contract lmao

Big talk for someone who is as of yet not on a seniority list.

And after seeing some of you JB pilot's attitudes thank god for that!

"Breaking news, new pilot surprised that older pilots don't want to listen to him cry about how tough he has had it, more information at 6"

I hope you are truly happy at your regional or your 135 job. I hope your family is fully hydrated and well fed. I even hope you don't forget to pack spare batteries for your A20s.

Breaking news: Older pilot makes some bull**** up.

My brother in Christ it is pretty hard to make things up when anyone who wants to can just click the page back button once or twice to see the entire conversation.

Apply, don't apply. Just stop subjecting us to your buffoonery.

As stated previously in this thread “ALPA does not bargain on behalf of those who are not even yet on property. If the company finds training pay to be a hindrance to hiring they can come to ALPA with an LOA that raises training pay in exchange for enhancements to line pilots' QOL and/or pay.”

Move along now.

I remember back in my check hauling days visiting a buddy of mine in Florida who had an appointment to tour the Comair academy and asked me to go with him to offer an opinion. Aside from the two of us who were dressed like we came off the welfare line were maybe a dozen bright eyed future aviators with upper crust parents. The guide was slicker than a used car salesman in tax refund season. After a walking tour of the facilities, they shepherded every one into a boardroom for the hard sell. Talking about the path to Comair regional, one country club looking family at the other end of the table started huffing to themselves which stopped the presentation and the father boomed out “My son wants to be a Delta pilot….” The salesman started to explain the career path and the late teen shrieked “I want to fly the 747!!!!” There was a moment of silence and I spoke my first words of the day: “Delta doesn’t even have 747s….” (Way before NW merger). The kid looked at me and his face turned red and he literally busted out crying. The salesman shot me the dirtiest look and the parents started consoling him like something out of Willy Wonka. They decided to take a break and we had seen enough to head out.

To this day whenever I hear about a pilot complain about not getting exactly what they want out of this industry I still see those tears. Those sweet, sweet red faced tears.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, some of these kids need to get furloughed just to give them a reality check.

Given your back and forth on here constitutes over 2/3s of your total forum post history I implore you to grow up and stop acting like an entitled brat. Hiring is starting to slow already, 1 price spike in crude when the IRGC closes down the Straits of Hormuz and the economy will quickly come to a halt and you’ll be begging for any opportunity to escape your regional!