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palmettopilot 12-30-2024 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3865913)
Can you expand on this? Are you commuting to SCR at JB and that's the complaint? 150hrs/yr for me on SCR, so... it's been pretty awesome.

I guess it's awesome if you like living in a crashpad.

Flyby1206 12-30-2024 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by palmettopilot (Post 3865923)
I guess it's awesome if you like living in a crashpad.

So you’re commuting to SCR, that sucks no matter what company you’re working for.


NarrowWidebody 12-30-2024 12:10 PM

Short Call
 

Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3865932)
So you’re commuting to SCR, that sucks no matter what company you’re working for.

Commuting to short call is an issue, why put yourself through that, majors have practically eliminated short call. The people from my early 2023 class who didn’t jump to the majors are still on short call too. With little to no light at the end of the tunnel.

palmettopilot 12-30-2024 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3865932)
So you’re commuting to SCR, that sucks no matter what company you’re working for.

dude what. did you even read my original post? I wasn't commuting to reserve at a regional, which is why I said my QoL was better there.

Bgood 12-31-2024 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by NarrowWidebody (Post 3865686)
The reserve list is essentially an excel document send out once in the morning, and you don’t know what time you will be on short call until the day before means for a horrid QOL. Crew scheduling abusing the fact it’s so hard to determine when you are supposed to get called so you are always working trips you shouldn’t be. Living in a crashpad for days at a time. The crews at JetBlue are wonderful but everybody who is not a Pilot or an FA is fighting you. Commuting to Delta has been life changing for the better.


So what makes it the worst place ever is:

1. You being junior and came in right when we stopped growth

AND

2. You not yet having a good grasp on reserve rules in the CBA?

Yeah wait for Crew Scheduling, at ANY airline, to tell you when they're wrong and you should refuse the trip they're currently assigning you.

I mean.....insert any airline name that decides to stop growth for whatever reason, that you have to commute to, and you'll have similar results.

This is exactly what happened when any airline in the past stopped hiring. The junior person gets the suck. Your option is to get to a different airline that still has movement or wait it out for growth to resume.

NarrowWidebody 12-31-2024 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3866288)
So what makes it the worst place ever is:

1. You being junior and came in right when we stopped growth

AND

2. You not yet having a good grasp on reserve rules in the CBA?

Yeah wait for Crew Scheduling, at ANY airline, to tell you when they're wrong and you should refuse the trip they're currently assigning you.

I mean.....insert any airline name that decides to stop growth for whatever reason, that you have to commute to, and you'll have similar results.

This is exactly what happened when any airline in the past stopped hiring. The junior person gets the suck. Your option is to get to a different airline that still has movement or wait it out for growth to resume.


It’s also the lack of profit sharing, the CBA being years behind other airlines, essentially 0 pay in training, a predatory reserve assignment desk and no insight of hiring again. Why would anybody join if growth and hiring would be so slow they would be on the chopping block for years if anything else went wrong. If the opportunity presented it self why wouldn’t any reasonable person not go to a company with better benefits, pay, profit sharing, a fair contract non rev rules, that’s actively hiring and growing.

pilotpayne 12-31-2024 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by NarrowWidebody (Post 3866306)
It’s also the lack of profit sharing, the CBA being years behind other airlines, essentially 0 pay in training, a predatory reserve assignment desk and no insight of hiring again. Why would anybody join if growth and hiring would be so slow they would be on the chopping block for years if anything else went wrong. If the opportunity presented it self why wouldn’t any reasonable person not go to a company with better benefits, pay, profit sharing, a fair contract non rev rules, that’s actively hiring and growing.

Are you not at Delta already? Did you know they have a forum where yall can talk about your large PS checks coming. And how you will soon take over ThE WoRld

Bgood 12-31-2024 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by NarrowWidebody (Post 3866306)
It’s also the lack of profit sharing, the CBA being years behind other airlines, essentially 0 pay in training, a predatory reserve assignment desk and no insight of hiring again. Why would anybody join if growth and hiring would be so slow they would be on the chopping block for years if anything else went wrong. If the opportunity presented it self why wouldn’t any reasonable person not go to a company with better benefits, pay, profit sharing, a fair contract non rev rules, that’s actively hiring and growing.

So you move on when the opportunity presents itself. You commuted, not everyone does. So your opinion of how reserve is at JB is not shared by all, only some. Ppl purposely bid reserve here in the slow months. If it sucked as how you made it out to be, no senior person would do that. Know the CBA.

I bid reserve a lot and have not experienced your "predatory reserve assignment desk". I ensure I know the reserve rules and whenever I think they are interpreting something wrong(which is not often), I call them out on it, they fix it and move on. It's just that simple. No drama.

Profit sharing......so you came here in 2023 to a company that has not been profitable since 2019 and expected profit sharing?

CBA behind.....I mean have you been following what has been going on at the company for the past few years? Even before you joined? There are reasons why we are on a CBA extension. I believe you know why since you use to work here. No need for drama to justify why you moved on, if you did.

RiddleEagle18 01-01-2025 06:08 AM

I live “in base”(within SCR call out time). I have been able to hold a line for the last 6 years and have bid reserve almost every month since.

I flew 310 hours this year and it’s my most in the last 6 years. I bid a line 2 months this year and regretted it both times.

pilotpayne 01-01-2025 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3866384)
So you move on when the opportunity presents itself. You commuted, not everyone does. So your opinion of how reserve is at JB is not shared by all, only some. Ppl purposely bid reserve here in the slow months. If it sucked as how you made it out to be, no senior person would do that. Know the CBA.

I bid reserve a lot and have not experienced your "predatory reserve assignment desk". I ensure I know the reserve rules and whenever I think they are interpreting something wrong(which is not often), I call them out on it, they fix it and move on. It's just that simple. No drama.

Profit sharing......so you came here in 2023 to a company that has not been profitable since 2019 and expected profit sharing?

CBA behind.....I mean have you been following what has been going on at the company for the past few years? Even before you joined? There are reasons why we are on a CBA extension. I believe you know why since you use to work here. No need for drama to justify why you moved on, if you did.

It would depend on when he/she joined but most of the bad stuff would have been a “known”. Right now for sure JetBlue is stagnant so goes the cycle. I’m glad this person has found a better fit. But to make it seem like a horrible place is a bit dramatic. To the original guy, apply get hired if you don’t like it leave. Just be happy that this time in aviation even exists. For many of us it didn’t when we were hired.


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