Time for accountability in CBA 2.0
03-19-2025 | 03:56 PM
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Time for accountability in CBA 2.0
In CBA 2.0, there must be provisions to make sure the company actually has an incentive to follow the contract. Do you know what happens now if they violate the contract? Nothing. The grievance process is a joke.
Other airlines have a penalty such as additional pay or an extra day off. We have nothing except a drawn out process where the company (months or years later) eventually says “ok, we won’t do it again” and nothing happens. This is a critical item for the union to address in negotiations; otherwise, our contract has no teeth and there is no incentive to follow it, making all the negotiated items a moot point.
It is important to be aware of this. I encourage all pilots to submit a PDR to the union asking for this issue to be addressed.
Other airlines have a penalty such as additional pay or an extra day off. We have nothing except a drawn out process where the company (months or years later) eventually says “ok, we won’t do it again” and nothing happens. This is a critical item for the union to address in negotiations; otherwise, our contract has no teeth and there is no incentive to follow it, making all the negotiated items a moot point.
It is important to be aware of this. I encourage all pilots to submit a PDR to the union asking for this issue to be addressed.
03-19-2025 | 05:03 PM
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In CBA 2.0, there must be provisions to make sure the company actually has an incentive to follow the contract. Do you know what happens now if they violate the contract? Nothing. The grievance process is a joke.
Other airlines have a penalty such as additional pay or an extra day off. We have nothing except a drawn out process where the company (months or years later) eventually says “ok, we won’t do it again” and nothing happens. This is a critical item for the union to address in negotiations; otherwise, our contract has no teeth and there is no incentive to follow it, making all the negotiated items a moot point.
It is important to be aware of this. I encourage all pilots to submit a PDR to the union asking for this issue to be addressed.
Other airlines have a penalty such as additional pay or an extra day off. We have nothing except a drawn out process where the company (months or years later) eventually says “ok, we won’t do it again” and nothing happens. This is a critical item for the union to address in negotiations; otherwise, our contract has no teeth and there is no incentive to follow it, making all the negotiated items a moot point.
It is important to be aware of this. I encourage all pilots to submit a PDR to the union asking for this issue to be addressed.
03-19-2025 | 05:39 PM
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In CBA 2.0, there must be provisions to make sure the company actually has an incentive to follow the contract. Do you know what happens now if they violate the contract? Nothing. The grievance process is a joke.
Other airlines have a penalty such as additional pay or an extra day off. We have nothing except a drawn out process where the company (months or years later) eventually says “ok, we won’t do it again” and nothing happens. This is a critical item for the union to address in negotiations; otherwise, our contract has no teeth and there is no incentive to follow it, making all the negotiated items a moot point.
It is important to be aware of this. I encourage all pilots to submit a PDR to the union asking for this issue to be addressed.
Other airlines have a penalty such as additional pay or an extra day off. We have nothing except a drawn out process where the company (months or years later) eventually says “ok, we won’t do it again” and nothing happens. This is a critical item for the union to address in negotiations; otherwise, our contract has no teeth and there is no incentive to follow it, making all the negotiated items a moot point.
It is important to be aware of this. I encourage all pilots to submit a PDR to the union asking for this issue to be addressed.
Contract provision or not, you’ll get screwed in the process
03-19-2025 | 06:32 PM
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welcome to being a union member….we had an issue back at the regionals that cost many pilots, myself included several thousand dollars. For an FO making less than $20k to fly an RJ back then that can be the difference between putting food on the table or bankruptcy. We grieved it, several years later we won and got a settlement. The ALPA lawyers got 50%, then there were a few other hands in Herndon and the MEC that got greased. In the end I got a check for $235.
Contract provision or not, you’ll get screwed in the process
Contract provision or not, you’ll get screwed in the process
03-19-2025 | 08:09 PM
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welcome to being a union member….we had an issue back at the regionals that cost many pilots, myself included several thousand dollars. For an FO making less than $20k to fly an RJ back then that can be the difference between putting food on the table or bankruptcy. We grieved it, several years later we won and got a settlement. The ALPA lawyers got 50%, then there were a few other hands in Herndon and the MEC that got greased. In the end I got a check for $235.
Contract provision or not, you’ll get screwed in the process
Contract provision or not, you’ll get screwed in the process
It is not unusual for an arbitrator to rule in one parties favor yet have the award not make them 100% whole (unfortuneately), it is rather unlikely he made you whole and the lawyers, National, and the MEC all took a cut of the award. Again, if you think I'm wrong, post the ruling. Just cause it "feels" like ALPA screwed you doesn't make it true. Most likely the RLA process screwed you.
03-19-2025 | 09:23 PM
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In CBA 2.0, there must be provisions to make sure the company actually has an incentive to follow the contract. Do you know what happens now if they violate the contract? Nothing. The grievance process is a joke.
Other airlines have a penalty such as additional pay or an extra day off. We have nothing except a drawn out process where the company (months or years later) eventually says “ok, we won’t do it again” and nothing happens. This is a critical item for the union to address in negotiations; otherwise, our contract has no teeth and there is no incentive to follow it, making all the negotiated items a moot point.
It is important to be aware of this. I encourage all pilots to submit a PDR to the union asking for this issue to be addressed.
Other airlines have a penalty such as additional pay or an extra day off. We have nothing except a drawn out process where the company (months or years later) eventually says “ok, we won’t do it again” and nothing happens. This is a critical item for the union to address in negotiations; otherwise, our contract has no teeth and there is no incentive to follow it, making all the negotiated items a moot point.
It is important to be aware of this. I encourage all pilots to submit a PDR to the union asking for this issue to be addressed.
No airline has anything different than us.
Tons of guys file grievances and end up getting extra pay, extra day off, etc.
03-19-2025 | 10:24 PM
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In CBA 2.0, there must be provisions to make sure the company actually has an incentive to follow the contract. Do you know what happens now if they violate the contract? Nothing. The grievance process is a joke.
Other airlines have a penalty such as additional pay or an extra day off. We have nothing except a drawn out process where the company (months or years later) eventually says “ok, we won’t do it again” and nothing happens. This is a critical item for the union to address in negotiations; otherwise, our contract has no teeth and there is no incentive to follow it, making all the negotiated items a moot point.
It is important to be aware of this. I encourage all pilots to submit a PDR to the union asking for this issue to be addressed.
Other airlines have a penalty such as additional pay or an extra day off. We have nothing except a drawn out process where the company (months or years later) eventually says “ok, we won’t do it again” and nothing happens. This is a critical item for the union to address in negotiations; otherwise, our contract has no teeth and there is no incentive to follow it, making all the negotiated items a moot point.
It is important to be aware of this. I encourage all pilots to submit a PDR to the union asking for this issue to be addressed.
03-20-2025 | 05:48 AM
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Not necessarily BD. The point to make is what is the pilot group willing to give up to get such a clause. Much like the daily average versus daily minimum.
03-21-2025 | 08:57 AM
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Care to post that grievance settlement where it says the lawyers got half the settlement money?
It is not unusual for an arbitrator to rule in one parties favor yet have the award not make them 100% whole (unfortuneately), it is rather unlikely he made you whole and the lawyers, National, and the MEC all took a cut of the award. Again, if you think I'm wrong, post the ruling. Just cause it "feels" like ALPA screwed you doesn't make it true. Most likely the RLA process screwed you.
It is not unusual for an arbitrator to rule in one parties favor yet have the award not make them 100% whole (unfortuneately), it is rather unlikely he made you whole and the lawyers, National, and the MEC all took a cut of the award. Again, if you think I'm wrong, post the ruling. Just cause it "feels" like ALPA screwed you doesn't make it true. Most likely the RLA process screwed you.
They won't post it because it doesn't exist.
03-22-2025 | 03:32 PM
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