PTO Cashout for Downgrades
#31
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They’ve got a point. ALL 16 CA Vacancies will go to Displacement right downgrade CA’s. Meaning they’ll all be at the bottom… and most likely remain there. Once 2027 happens everyone coming in will most likely be senior to them bc no one will have prior claims and can bid vacancies.
#32
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Old numbers I pulled of a quick search:
Year/number/cumulative
2025 71
2026 66
2027 111
2028 124
2029 150
2030 135
2031 151
2032 162
It represents around 25% of our list in the next 7 years and on from there. A decent amount of movement if you have been here a while, not worth mentioning if you are junior.
Year/number/cumulative
2025 71
2026 66
2027 111
2028 124
2029 150
2030 135
2031 151
2032 162
It represents around 25% of our list in the next 7 years and on from there. A decent amount of movement if you have been here a while, not worth mentioning if you are junior.
Your numbers are a tad off.
2025 128
2026 44
2027 85
2028 109
2029 142
2030 129
ETA: Sorry, I see someone else already corrected you.
#33
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#34
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Yes, but a world of good it will do with negative vacancies almost system wide.
#35
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So basically the guys that were previously awarded 220 CA have recall rights if they were downgraded on last bid? Is that base and seat specific ? A BOS 220 guy would be SOL while a jfk one would get his previous award ?
#36
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I will be 80 years old by the time I can hold captain here the way things are going so my care meter is very close to zero.
#38
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From: A320 CA
Incorrect. Your prior claim right is based off your effective date I believe. So one year from your original effective date is when your rights expire. People with rights should be able to exercise them through, at the very least, this bid and any supplemental bid early next year. Possibly next annual as well, should there be any late fall effective dates.
#39
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Also it seems like there was confusion about displacement rights and vacancies in the comments above. If you were displaced you have first rights (aka prior claim) only back to the displaced position ahead of anyone who does not have prior claim status. So a displaced BOS 320CA has no rights to a JFK 320CA or BOS 220CA opening, however the displaced pilot would fill a BOS 320CA opening ahead of someone more senior than them who is not in prior claim status if a vacancy exists. Prior claims are also awarded in seniority order within their own prior claim group, meaning if there's 10 of us with prior claim spots and only 4 openings, they're awarded in seniority order from most senior displaced pilot to most junior.
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