Yo Weekend Warrior (which I presume, you have off),
When a runny noise VFR pilot has been out of school long enough to see whats happening in the airline industry, you might have a greater appreciation for who and whats driving wages and benefits in this industry.:p

sadly, alpa doesn't do anything anymore except collect our dues.

and regarding JB, how can JB be considered a "career" with 5-year contracts?

i'm reminded of a quote from l. ron hubbard, the founder of scientology. to paraphrase, "if you want to make REAL money, start your own religion." in a nutshell, this is what JB has done. they are cute, they are quirky, they have leather seats, they have direct tv, they have cute blue pilot shirts, they are fighting the good fight against high-priced airline tickets. they have convinced the workforce that JB is not just an airline, it's a religion. too bad the only guy making money on this deal is neeleman and his monkeys. JB's day is coming. the stock was downgraded big-time yesterday. i give JB 3 years, tops.

Where are you, Jet Blue???
 

Keep waiting for more JB guy's to jump on our Sh** but they arn't home. Guess to busy flying on their days off!:eek:

Well, quite frankly it's more that you're sounding like a broken record.

Plus I can't figure out what it is you're trying to accomplish here --

Convince JB folks who enjoy their job that we're deluded, are actually miserable, and wouldn't be happier unless we had more money? (so that you could have more money...)

Convince us that we should be miserable, if we aren't, because more money is the only thing that's important?

Convince us to start an uprising?

Do you see how silly that sounds?

P.S. The "5 year contract" thing AGAIN?? For anyone who ever wondered why JB folks bristle at questions over the contract, there's your reason.

Yo Weekend Warrior (which I presume, you have off),
When a runny noise VFR pilot has been out of school long enough to see whats happening in the airline industry, you might have a greater appreciation for who and whats driving wages and benefits in this industry.


The part about the runny noise (nose) cut too close to the bone...

-LA

hey sit-back:

what do you guys do when your contract runs out? do you get another 5 years at the same pay? a small raise? stock options? what happens if you **** some guy off and your contract isn't renewed? start over again in the right seat at some other ****-bag airline? i mean, really, i'm very curious about the long-term strategy here and what, if any, long-term planning you guys do. i'd also like to know how you compare JB to other airlines who, sort of, offer a career to their employees. and what do mortgage lenders do when you tell them you have a 5-year contract? also, let's say you buy a house with a 30-year mortgage based on your left-seat income and then your contract isn't renewed. looks like you lose your home to me. maybe i'm wrong.

i guess what i'm asking is why JB is so great for anyone but the original investors?

The 5-yr contract has been beaten to death. Do a search.

A couple of notes:

Nobody has ever not been renewed. Everyone who's left JetBlue did so voluntarily or been fired for cause. If that changes then we'll talk.

The pay scale extends beyond 5 years. That information is on this very site if you'd bother to look.

Anyone who takes out a 30-yr mortgage based on their left seat pay in this industry is an idiot.

Next?

wow. so sure of yourself and a veteran of, what? 3 or 4 years with jesus h. blue?

i bet that 5-year thing hanging over your head like the sword of damocles has no effect, right?

what is your mortgage based upon? 1st year FO pay?

how is your union organizing effort going over there?

:confused:

I'd respond to this in detail if it contained any semblance of coherent thought.

OK, my apologies if this was a sincere question. It looked suspiciously like flame bait.

It has been beaten to death and any question you want answered and then some can be found on this board, as well as others. Some day when I have a little time, if you're really interested, I can search for some links and direct you to them. The short answer, though, is that isn't a Sword of Damocles. It renews automatically. There's no reapplying, no review of performance, no starting over, it just renews. If our management suddenly decides to start letting people go at 5 years just because they can, then I promise you, I'll completely reverse myself on this whole thing and curse my ignorance for not seeing it coming. And I'm certain we'd have a union on the property immediately. But ask yourself what they would have to gain by doing that?


The same thing they do with anyone else, I guess. They give me a loan. And that above scenario -- sounds about like being furloughed. But at least furloughed guys had a contract, right?

Look, plan however you want. But from where I sit I think you're crazy if you put all your eggs in the "my left seat salary for life" basket. We're all reasonably intelligent adults who have chosen to work in a volatile industry in a capitalist society. We all have access to all the pertinent information. It's our own fault if we get surprised.

OK, I'll answer this once more, but you'll need to press the "I believe" button for a sec because apparently you absolutely cannot fathom that an airline could be a great place to work, where there's an atmosphere of mutual trust, respect, and teamwork, and people tend to enjoy being there. It's not a religion, it's a well run business and it's a pleasure to be a part of. It would be nice to make a little more money, and it would be nice to get a yearly cost-of-living raise. If things get better in the industry and we still aren't getting these things then I may change my tune. But right now I have absolutely no reason not to love my job.