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Velocipede 12-24-2006 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Jetjok (Post 94909)
here are a few thoughts:
First and foremost - Velocipede, you are truly one ugly Mo Fo. Both inside and outside. You make me want to puke, with your holier-than-thou attitude. What should pilots do to earn a living?

Good thing you qualified that...because you are obviously a man of "few" thoughts.

What can pilots do for a living? Sell cars. Sell real estate. Sell stocks. Drive trucks. Pretty much anything. They are mostly intelligent, trainable individuals who could do pretty much anything they choose to.

Instead, B6 scab wannabes chose to (remember the time frame - 2000) take a job at a non-Union shop that was undercutting Union payscales by up to $80 an hour for a narrowbody Captain seat.

Why? Some were Regional guys who saw the opportunity for a big jet and a quick upgrade. They didn't know any better. The worst were the ALPA furloughees who KNEW they were taking a job undercutting ALPA. They didn't care. Me. ME. ME. Was their mantra. They were too lazy to get up and do something different. They were content to stab Unionized pilots in the back.

Let's examine what has happened since they set the bar for narrowbody Captains at $129, no retirement and no benefits. United and USAir managers saw they could get pilots to fly for chicken feed. So where is their pay/ retirement now? That's right. B6 land.

You can call me all the names you want, but the bottom line is B6 lowered the bar and every Ford and Harrison inspired airline manager followed suit.

Cause and effect. For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. It applies to the airline business as well. They are all a bunch of copycats using the same playbook. And if you don't believe that, you are one ignorant ostrich with your head in the sand.

wild4theuniform 12-24-2006 08:37 AM

Oh, boys...
 

Originally Posted by Velocipede (Post 95346)
Good thing you qualified that...because you are obviously a man of "few" thoughts.

What can pilots do for a living? Sell cars. Sell real estate. Sell stocks. Drive trucks. Pretty much anything. They are mostly intelligent, trainable individuals who could do pretty much anything they choose to.

Instead, B6 scab wannabes chose to (remember the time frame - 2000) take a job at a non-Union shop that was undercutting Union payscales by up to $80 an hour for a narrowbody Captain seat.

Why? Some were Regional guys who saw the opportunity for a big jet and a quick upgrade. They didn't know any better. The worst were the ALPA furloughees who KNEW they were taking a job undercutting ALPA. They didn't care. Me. ME. ME. Was their mantra. They were too lazy to get up and do something different. They were content to stab Unionized pilots in the back.

Let's examine what has happened since they set the bar for narrowbody Captains at $129, no retirement and no benefits. United and USAir managers saw they could get pilots to fly for chicken feed. So where is their pay/ retirement now? That's right. B6 land.

You can call me all the names you want, but the bottom line is B6 lowered the bar and every Ford and Harrison inspired airline manager followed suit.

Cause and effect. For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. It applies to the airline business as well. They are all a bunch of copycats using the same playbook. And if you don't believe that, you are one ignorant ostrich with your head in the sand.


Boys, boys, boys -- can't you all be NICE to each other, even for a couple of days?:confused: It's CHRISTMAS for G*^#'s sake! Merry Christmas to all of you! :D :p

Velocipede 12-24-2006 08:43 AM

Nice try
 
Always the peacemaker, aren't you? ;)

wild4theuniform 12-24-2006 08:47 AM

You're welcome!!
 

Originally Posted by Velocipede (Post 95353)
Always the peacemaker, aren't you? ;)

Ah, V, I do try.....Someone's got to reign you guys in once in a while. Might as well be me....:D :p

Skygirl 12-24-2006 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by wild4theuniform (Post 95355)
Ah, V, I do try.....Someone's got to reign you guys in once in a while. Might as well be me....:D :p


It's kind of like trying to manage the kids, right Wild? :)

wild4theuniform 12-24-2006 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Skygirl (Post 95357)
It's kind of like trying to manage the kids, right Wild? :)

Mine or the ones I teach??

calcapt 12-24-2006 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by wild4theuniform (Post 95355)
Ah, V, I do try.....Someone's got to reign you guys in once in a while. Might as well be me....:D :p


Do you think all problems can be solved with love, sex, respect for others and a positive outlook on life?

Yeah, you're probably right!

Jetjok 12-24-2006 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by Velocipede (Post 95346)
Good thing you qualified that...because you are obviously a man of "few" thoughts.

What can pilots do for a living? Sell cars. Sell real estate. Sell stocks. Drive trucks. Pretty much anything. They are mostly intelligent, trainable individuals who could do pretty much anything they choose to.

Instead, B6 scab wannabes chose to (remember the time frame - 2000) take a job at a non-Union shop that was undercutting Union payscales by up to $80 an hour for a narrowbody Captain seat.

Why? Some were Regional guys who saw the opportunity for a big jet and a quick upgrade. They didn't know any better. The worst were the ALPA furloughees who KNEW they were taking a job undercutting ALPA. They didn't care. Me. ME. ME. Was their mantra. They were too lazy to get up and do something different. They were content to stab Unionized pilots in the back.

Let's examine what has happened since they set the bar for narrowbody Captains at $129, no retirement and no benefits. United and USAir managers saw they could get pilots to fly for chicken feed. So where is their pay/ retirement now? That's right. B6 land.

You can call me all the names you want, but the bottom line is B6 lowered the bar and every Ford and Harrison inspired airline manager followed suit.

Cause and effect. For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. It applies to the airline business as well. They are all a bunch of copycats using the same playbook. And if you don't believe that, you are one ignorant ostrich with your head in the sand.

Do you have any idea how much professional help you really need?

Velocipede 12-24-2006 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by Jetjok (Post 95378)
Do you have any idea how much professional help you really need?

Very glib. Doesn't answer the basic point that B6 and people who are willing to undercut Union contracts are leading the race to the bottom, if not causing it.

CUZZ 12-25-2006 04:40 AM

Merry Christmas Everyone. Yes, even to you Velocipede. Today, your my brother, tomorrow we can hate each other again. :mad:


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