I am stunned he has been able to pull it off this long. B6 guys, what is taking you so long to take a stand? Your rampers going for a union was the shot across the bow....I think you should take the next step. A union does not hurt anyone...look at SWA! I think its nuts to not have a collective voice considering how large you have become and those 190 rates. Also, don't forget what happened to the Morris pilots! You are not special to Neeleman. Just a necessary evil that he must contain.

Ah, Needleman's a piker...he doesn't know the first thing about theft.

Just look what the "Frank Lorenzo wannabees" at the majors have done to their airlines and their employees!

United, Delta, USAir...they all had the same progression: built up by people who cared about their business, their passengers, their employees. Torn down by the money boys from Harvard Business school. These bandits come in, sell off all the equipment/facilities to leasing companies which they control through holding companies/consortiums and then siphon the profits away through the leases. They pay lease rates way above market rates for everything because that's how they make the real money.

They tell their employees that they just can't make a profit because of:

(Pick one)
High fuel prices (everyone pays for fuel!)
High labor costs (Huh?)
Bad economy
Global warming
Bad Karma

The employees have the crap scared out of them when they think the company is going down and they give the thieves whatever they want. The company then goes to bankruptcy court anyway and gets whatever the employees didn't give up voluntarily. Interestingly enough, the equipment leases never seem to be questioned by the bankruptcy judge. Do you think the government is on the scam too?

In the last 25 years, USAir has reported a profit two years...and they stay in business. You tell me they don't have a viable business plan!

Guys, this is the same game plan the railroads used in the late '50s and early 60's. Read all about it. The only thing that saved the railroad workers was that the railroad workers all belonged to the same union. Eventually, the union figured it out and stopped the process. Even though the railroads still whine about being broke, when was the last time you heard of a railroad worker being asked to give up his pay for fuel costs?

Doesn't happen.

If we can ever stop arguing/fighting amongst ourselves long enough to be smart, we, too can put an end to this business model.

So stop accusing each other of being scabs, or other low-lifes. The enemy isn't the other workers, the enemy is greedy management. Let's put our energy where it will do some good.

The choice is ours.

This post is a rarity in that every single sentence is false. Usually even the most clueless and/or venomous posters sprinkle in one or two facts, but this one is probably worthy of some sort of prize. There are more misconceptions in the shortest post I may have ever seen. I am in awe.

Stand by for developments very soon. The kettle's boiling but I don't think Neeleman is listening yet. He will be, soon enough.

Blue Dude,
Good luck with everything! You have a premium product and should be compensated appropriately.

Gman,
JB sure has you drunk(or brainwashed) on the company cool-aid!! Your on the right road for a management position. As for JB's product-it's not any better than the rest!!!
One more thing,SWA lowered the bar along time ago!!! It's a race to the bottom with SWA,JB and AT leading the way!!!!

That maybe true , maybe not, but at least SWA pays well for flying 737's.

Well, the first part is right, however, SWA is currently the highest paying passenger 737 operator in North America.

Amigos,
They may "PAY" but it ain't all about the money!!!! Work rules and bennies are just as importante!!!! How's my spanish???

Hey apdriver I looked up your profile and you have nothing listed. Without any cred's you look like a wannabe. I'm not saying you are, just appears that way. SWA lowering the bar that's an interesting thought?? Ticket sales maybe, but pilot pay no way (they have rules and bennies) that is unless you are talking 10 years ago. Perhaps you can clarify for us. As for the spanish ehhh Mas o Menos.