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Originally Posted by 360KIAS
(Post 2798116)
50°C - you are most likely referring to the oil temp prior to T/O. Which will be pretty easy to achieve, even in sub-zero temps).
But the 5 minutes and 2 minutes warm up times are just as required as the oil temp one, IMO. "Plan engine start to ensure a minimum warm-up time of 5 minutes if the engine has been shut down for 2 hours or more; 2 minutes is sufficient if less than 2 hours has elapsed." Sounds to me like we are not supposed to take off until meeting the appropriate parameter. Another one that seems to get ignored sometimes (short taxi) is the 3 minute cool-down after landing. (If more than idle reverse thrust is used on landing, clock doesn't start until reverse thrust is back at idle; otherwise clock starts when thrust levers are at idle during the flare). While neither of these time periods can be found in chapter two, it is my opinion that they are still limitations, and I treat them as such whenever practical. It’s either a limitation or it’s not. The limitation for TO is the oil temp. Those times on the bus are not limitations. Also stop telling people not to reapply. You could cost someone a job. |
Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
(Post 2798155)
No.
It’s either a limitation or it’s not. The limitation for TO is the oil temp. Those times on the bus are not limitations |
Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
(Post 2798155)
It’s either a limitation or it’s not.
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Originally Posted by 360KIAS
(Post 2798116)
Another one that seems to get ignored sometimes (short taxi) is the 3 minute cool-down after landing. (If more than idle reverse thrust is used on landing, clock doesn't start until reverse thrust is back at idle; otherwise clock starts when thrust levers are at idle during the flare).
While neither of these time periods can be found in chapter two, it is my opinion that they are still limitations, and I treat them as such whenever practical. |
Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
(Post 2798155)
No.
It’s either a limitation or it’s not. The limitation for TO is the oil temp. Those times on the bus are not limitations. Also stop telling people not to reapply. You could cost someone a job. |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 2798225)
It's not an aircraft limitation. But, which SOP specifically, allows you to violate prescribed SOP (outside of an emergency)?
That would be a deciding factor in if it must be followed. Example: Method 2 for Airbus guys states, the PF should put in the points Associated with M2. Since it says “should” you don’t have to do it. It’s only a recommendation. |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 2798225)
It's not an aircraft limitation. But, which SOP specifically, allows you to violate prescribed SOP (outside of an emergency)?
Should, will, may, must. Some things you will do. Others you should do but may not have to. How’s it written?? |
Originally Posted by nuball5
(Post 2798139)
How long would it take to hold BOS at American? In recent history it seems like AA hasn’t made Boston a priority, wouldn’t be surprised to see them axe it. Eagle had a BOS base roughly 10 years ago and got rid of it...Doug Parker did the same with US Airways not too long ago either. I see a lot of PHL, NYC and CLT commuters around Logan, at least there’s a lot of frequency on those commutes.
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
(Post 2798184)
Correct. And I believe temps outside of the limitations trigger an ECAM when then "T/O config test is pushed."
Exactly, oil temp ecam can’t be present for takeoff obviously. No other warm up temp limit. Cool down is also recommended. On the NEO it is required. |
Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
(Post 2798264)
Just like cleaning your seat.
Should, will, may, must. Some things you will do. Others you should do but may not have to. How’s it written?? |
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