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Old 05-27-2015, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800 View Post
That's true in BOS on the 190 as well. Many 4 leg days with 2+ hour sits.
Only on the junior lines. With some seniority and productivity you really don't see any sits. Now, 4 leg days...that's the norm.
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Old 05-27-2015, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Southerner View Post
Typically you can only be bumped out of your seat if your base reduces positions. And even then senior guys cannot bump you out. If you're 5 from the bottom and the reduction is 4 positions, you'll be safe. No new upgrades could come into that base and force you out.

Of course, we could write the language however we wish, but it would be seriously crappy to have senior guys bumping out junior captains just because they finally decided to upgrade. They can bid on new positions only. There has to be some benefit to biting the bullet and taking first upgrade.

We will see.
I have no idea what they will want but we don't have it now so they will have to "negoitate" for it. (Good for us)
I was mainly giving that marine ground pounder a hard time since he is senior to me and that was my plan as well.
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Old 05-27-2015, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne View Post
We will see.

I have no idea what they will want but we don't have it now so they will have to "negoitate" for it. (Good for us)

I was mainly giving that marine ground pounder a hard time since he is senior to me and that was my plan as well.

They will have a hard time getting something that isn't industry standard language, I would think. Plus, the company wants system bids to drive less training, not more, so they will likely want the same thing.

It's this little stuff that adds up to big QOL impacts. I just hope people look to more than just the pay rate when we get a TA hammered out for a vote.
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Old 05-27-2015, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Southerner View Post
They will have a hard time getting something that isn't industry standard language, I would think. Plus, the company wants system bids to drive less training, not more, so they will likely want the same thing.

It's this little stuff that adds up to big QOL impacts. I just hope people look to more than just the pay rate when we get a TA hammered out for a vote.
You got that right
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Old 05-27-2015, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt View Post
Only on the junior lines. With some seniority and productivity you really don't see any sits. Now, 4 leg days...that's the norm.
I'm in the top half of the list in BOS. I've got a 2+ hr sit tomorrow.
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Old 05-27-2015, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800 View Post
I'm in the top half of the list in BOS. I've got a 2+ hr sit tomorrow.
Same here, I start a three day tomorrow with sits exceeding 2 hours every day. Its an 18.6 hour trip so reasonably productive, and I'm top 40% in BOS 190 FO.
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Old 05-28-2015, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocketman22 View Post
Anyone want to take a guess how long it will take 2015 320 new hire FOs to upgrade? 5 years or 10 years?
Just 320 New hires?
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Old 05-28-2015, 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800 View Post
I'm in the top half of the list in BOS. I've got a 2+ hr sit tomorrow.
Sorry to hear that. Admittedly I'm a day trip guy so with enough productivity you aren't usually legal for much of a sit. I stand corrected.

I think the moral of the story is 320 trips > 190 trips unless you'd prefer 4 legs over backside of the clock.

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Old 05-28-2015, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
Just 320 New hires?
That is the only plane that counts
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Old 05-28-2015, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16 View Post
That only works if you live in the base you're based. If you commute, all bets are off.
Unless you're planning on commuting to LGB, FLL or MCO. Then it matters. LGB and FLL, don't bid the 190. MCO don't bid the 320 unless you wanna wait at least 2 years. That's why I said what I did about bases in the NE.
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