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11-15-2013, 08:52 AM
#471
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,796
Originally Posted by benzoate
ALPA is a function of who you elect to your MEC. Remember that. How many of us have previous union experience? How many JetBlue pilots have previous ALPA experience?
A union is only as strong as the pilots voted to defend you. If you vote in a bunch of greedy, ultra-senior reps (I'm looking at you Chris Beebe and the US Airways MEC circa 2000) then you reap what you sew. (1,149 pilot "training float"... pilots furloughed for 10+ years recalled to "Metrojet" while newhires come in to group 2 airplanes at a higher payscale... etc)
I would love to see an MEC structured in silos where the juniormost pilots have just as much say as the seniormost. ALPA's biggest problem is that when it comes to money they tend to forget that the strength of a house is dependent upon its foundation. Protect the jobs and the salaries of the most JUNIOR members and that insures status quo among the more senior.
Don't have meetings at some golf resort in Virginia that no line pilot is realistically going to be able to attend. You work for US. I don't care if you need to have the meeting at the airport Super 8. You better have it where I can attend and look you in the eye if you're going to stick it to me.
I was at US Airways for a little over 3 years and I went to EVERY ALPA meeting held when I wasn't working. I volunteered on the communications committee, the hotel committee and became part of the solution. I was very proud of ALPA... but very disappointed with the MEC.
Beebe's promise of "Not one nickel, not one job" flew in the face of sold scope in exchange for protecting senior pay rates.
This is a pilot group problem. Elect the right people - people who understand that SCOPE is not to be touched, and not one job should be sold in exchange for a few nickles among the senior - and it can be successful. Follow the age old ALPA formula and watch your house crumble.
Lots of lessons to be learned. The killer B's at American. The "Unified Front" at USAir...
Go down this road, but don't ignore history.
11-15-2013, 09:50 AM
#472
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: Side stick game boy.
Posts: 185
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
THIS!!
A union is only as strong as the pilots voted to defend you. If you vote in a bunch of greedy, ultra-senior reps (I'm looking at you Chris Beebe and the US Airways MEC circa 2000) then you reap what you sew. (1,149 pilot "training float"... pilots furloughed for 10+ years recalled to "Metrojet" while newhires come in to group 2 airplanes at a higher payscale... etc)
I would love to see an MEC structured in silos where the juniormost pilots have just as much say as the seniormost. ALPA's biggest problem is that when it comes to money they tend to forget that the strength of a house is dependent upon its foundation. Protect the jobs and the salaries of the most JUNIOR members and that insures status quo among the more senior.
Don't have meetings at some golf resort in Virginia that no line pilot is realistically going to be able to attend. You work for US. I don't care if you need to have the meeting at the airport Super 8. You better have it where I can attend and look you in the eye if you're going to stick it to me.
I was at US Airways for a little over 3 years and I went to EVERY ALPA meeting held when I wasn't working. I volunteered on the communications committee, the hotel committee and became part of the solution. I was very proud of ALPA... but very disappointed with the MEC.
Beebe's promise of "Not one nickel, not one job" flew in the face of sold scope in exchange for protecting senior pay rates.
This is a pilot group problem. Elect the right people - people who understand that SCOPE is not to be touched, and not one job should be sold in exchange for a few nickles among the senior - and it can be successful. Follow the age old ALPA formula and watch your house crumble.
Lots of lessons to be learned. The killer B's at American. The "Unified Front" at USAir...
Go down this road, but don't ignore history.
A union is only as strong as the pilots voted to defend you. If you vote in a bunch of greedy, ultra-senior reps (I'm looking at you Chris Beebe and the US Airways MEC circa 2000) then you reap what you sew. (1,149 pilot "training float"... pilots furloughed for 10+ years recalled to "Metrojet" while newhires come in to group 2 airplanes at a higher payscale... etc)
I would love to see an MEC structured in silos where the juniormost pilots have just as much say as the seniormost. ALPA's biggest problem is that when it comes to money they tend to forget that the strength of a house is dependent upon its foundation. Protect the jobs and the salaries of the most JUNIOR members and that insures status quo among the more senior.
Don't have meetings at some golf resort in Virginia that no line pilot is realistically going to be able to attend. You work for US. I don't care if you need to have the meeting at the airport Super 8. You better have it where I can attend and look you in the eye if you're going to stick it to me.
I was at US Airways for a little over 3 years and I went to EVERY ALPA meeting held when I wasn't working. I volunteered on the communications committee, the hotel committee and became part of the solution. I was very proud of ALPA... but very disappointed with the MEC.
Beebe's promise of "Not one nickel, not one job" flew in the face of sold scope in exchange for protecting senior pay rates.
This is a pilot group problem. Elect the right people - people who understand that SCOPE is not to be touched, and not one job should be sold in exchange for a few nickles among the senior - and it can be successful. Follow the age old ALPA formula and watch your house crumble.
Lots of lessons to be learned. The killer B's at American. The "Unified Front" at USAir...
Go down this road, but don't ignore history.
I think we found our junior member for our soon to be union
Miss the corporate world yet?
11-15-2013, 09:53 AM
#473
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Posts: 164
Originally Posted by Flying Elvis
I've never been in a union.
My only direct experience with unions has been dealing with them in various capacities and negotiating from the other side of the table - sometimes friendly, sometimes not.
I've never wanted to be in a union.
I still don't want to be in a union.
I don't believe a union will solve everything.
I believe if we go union we'll be locked up in this contract for at least the next 3 years with no further raises or improvements in benefits or work rules.
I'm happy in this job. Very happy.
I've sent my card in.
My only direct experience with unions has been dealing with them in various capacities and negotiating from the other side of the table - sometimes friendly, sometimes not.
I've never wanted to be in a union.
I still don't want to be in a union.
I don't believe a union will solve everything.
I believe if we go union we'll be locked up in this contract for at least the next 3 years with no further raises or improvements in benefits or work rules.
I'm happy in this job. Very happy.
I've sent my card in.
With regard to your "I believe if we go union we'll be locked up in this contract for at least the next 3 years with no further raises or improvements in benefits or work rules", aren't we already with this PEA?
11-15-2013, 09:56 AM
#474
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 320 F.O.
Posts: 1,386
Originally Posted by expectholding
Thank you for sending your card in, hopefully more with your thoughts and views follow suit.
With regard to your "I believe if we go union we'll be locked up in this contract for at least the next 3 years with no further raises or improvements in benefits or work rules", aren't we already with this PEA?
With regard to your "I believe if we go union we'll be locked up in this contract for at least the next 3 years with no further raises or improvements in benefits or work rules", aren't we already with this PEA?
11-15-2013, 10:23 AM
#475
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,796
Originally Posted by Flint Stone
I think we found our junior member for our soon to be union
Miss the corporate world yet?
Miss the corporate world yet?
... although I miss not commuting, driving to work, parking ten feet from the airplane, and warm cookies at the FBO.
11-15-2013, 11:08 AM
#478
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: Airbus 320 Right Seat
Posts: 1,440
Second card sent in ....
And as said a few posts ago , I fully agree . A union is only as strong as the integrity of the MEC .... You get a bunch of super senior selfish guys in there well it's a total waste , unless your a super senior guy,... The MEC needs to be filled with senior, middle , junior etc. That way it's fair across the board ....
And as said a few posts ago , I fully agree . A union is only as strong as the integrity of the MEC .... You get a bunch of super senior selfish guys in there well it's a total waste , unless your a super senior guy,... The MEC needs to be filled with senior, middle , junior etc. That way it's fair across the board ....
11-15-2013, 11:37 AM
#480
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: FO
Posts: 302
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
THIS!!
A union is only as strong as the pilots voted to defend you. If you vote in a bunch of greedy, ultra-senior reps (I'm looking at you Chris Beebe and the US Airways MEC circa 2000) then you reap what you sew. (1,149 pilot "training float"... pilots furloughed for 10+ years recalled to "Metrojet" while newhires come in to group 2 airplanes at a higher payscale... etc)
I would love to see an MEC structured in silos where the juniormost pilots have just as much say as the seniormost. ALPA's biggest problem is that when it comes to money they tend to forget that the strength of a house is dependent upon its foundation. Protect the jobs and the salaries of the most JUNIOR members and that insures status quo among the more senior.
Don't have meetings at some golf resort in Virginia that no line pilot is realistically going to be able to attend. You work for US. I don't care if you need to have the meeting at the airport Super 8. You better have it where I can attend and look you in the eye if you're going to stick it to me.
I was at US Airways for a little over 3 years and I went to EVERY ALPA meeting held when I wasn't working. I volunteered on the communications committee, the hotel committee and became part of the solution. I was very proud of ALPA... but very disappointed with the MEC.
Beebe's promise of "Not one nickel, not one job" flew in the face of sold scope in exchange for protecting senior pay rates.
This is a pilot group problem. Elect the right people - people who understand that SCOPE is not to be touched, and not one job should be sold in exchange for a few nickles among the senior - and it can be successful. Follow the age old ALPA formula and watch your house crumble.
Lots of lessons to be learned. The killer B's at American. The "Unified Front" at USAir...
Go down this road, but don't ignore history.
A union is only as strong as the pilots voted to defend you. If you vote in a bunch of greedy, ultra-senior reps (I'm looking at you Chris Beebe and the US Airways MEC circa 2000) then you reap what you sew. (1,149 pilot "training float"... pilots furloughed for 10+ years recalled to "Metrojet" while newhires come in to group 2 airplanes at a higher payscale... etc)
I would love to see an MEC structured in silos where the juniormost pilots have just as much say as the seniormost. ALPA's biggest problem is that when it comes to money they tend to forget that the strength of a house is dependent upon its foundation. Protect the jobs and the salaries of the most JUNIOR members and that insures status quo among the more senior.
Don't have meetings at some golf resort in Virginia that no line pilot is realistically going to be able to attend. You work for US. I don't care if you need to have the meeting at the airport Super 8. You better have it where I can attend and look you in the eye if you're going to stick it to me.
I was at US Airways for a little over 3 years and I went to EVERY ALPA meeting held when I wasn't working. I volunteered on the communications committee, the hotel committee and became part of the solution. I was very proud of ALPA... but very disappointed with the MEC.
Beebe's promise of "Not one nickel, not one job" flew in the face of sold scope in exchange for protecting senior pay rates.
This is a pilot group problem. Elect the right people - people who understand that SCOPE is not to be touched, and not one job should be sold in exchange for a few nickles among the senior - and it can be successful. Follow the age old ALPA formula and watch your house crumble.
Lots of lessons to be learned. The killer B's at American. The "Unified Front" at USAir...
Go down this road, but don't ignore history.
+1!! Great post!
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