jetBlue Hiring
11-11-2013, 12:42 PM
#371
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,588
Originally Posted by Mattio
A JB pilot I talked to in the airport today said 20% increase in base pay. Is that correct? Is it across the board?
11-11-2013, 02:35 PM
#372
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
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Posts: 3,150
Originally Posted by Mattio
A JB pilot I talked to in the airport today said 20% increase in base pay. Is that correct? Is it across the board?
11-11-2013, 03:32 PM
#373
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Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 1,099
70 hours = 13% increase
75 hours = 13% increase
80 hours = 11.6% increase
85 hours = 8.53% increase
90 hours = 5.94% increase
95 hours = 3.72% increase
100 hours = 1.8% increase
105 hours = 0.12% increase
110 hours = 1.35% decrease
Copied this from another post. 20% my arse.
All JetBlue emails and press releases are filled with misdirection and, often, lies.
Re-read and double check all their "facts".
Roughly a below industry standard raise of 13-3.5-3.5. No increase to retirement, loss of premium pay, no increase in PTO or vacation. Additional verbiage changes in protections yet to be vetted.
The biggest complaints including industry standard pay, benefits and retirement were not addressed. Healthcare and FSM changes were not included in the PEA. To date changes by email in everything but pay will continue.
As mentioned above training contracts will be required.
One last issue. Pilots wanted all the documents associate with our employment and benefits incorporated into the PEA. JetBlue decided not to do this. Why, because this allows JetBlue to make changes via email to any part of our employement not contained in the pea. Exme, insurance, FSM, dependability policy etc. This is the difference between a pea and a CBA.
75 hours = 13% increase
80 hours = 11.6% increase
85 hours = 8.53% increase
90 hours = 5.94% increase
95 hours = 3.72% increase
100 hours = 1.8% increase
105 hours = 0.12% increase
110 hours = 1.35% decrease
Copied this from another post. 20% my arse.
All JetBlue emails and press releases are filled with misdirection and, often, lies.
Re-read and double check all their "facts".
Roughly a below industry standard raise of 13-3.5-3.5. No increase to retirement, loss of premium pay, no increase in PTO or vacation. Additional verbiage changes in protections yet to be vetted.
The biggest complaints including industry standard pay, benefits and retirement were not addressed. Healthcare and FSM changes were not included in the PEA. To date changes by email in everything but pay will continue.
As mentioned above training contracts will be required.
One last issue. Pilots wanted all the documents associate with our employment and benefits incorporated into the PEA. JetBlue decided not to do this. Why, because this allows JetBlue to make changes via email to any part of our employement not contained in the pea. Exme, insurance, FSM, dependability policy etc. This is the difference between a pea and a CBA.
Last edited by benzoate; 11-11-2013 at 03:43 PM.
11-11-2013, 06:29 PM
#375
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 320 F.O.
Posts: 1,386
Originally Posted by benzoate
70 hours = 13% increase
75 hours = 13% increase
80 hours = 11.6% increase
85 hours = 8.53% increase
90 hours = 5.94% increase
95 hours = 3.72% increase
100 hours = 1.8% increase
105 hours = 0.12% increase
110 hours = 1.35% decrease
Copied this from another post. 20% my arse.
All JetBlue emails and press releases are filled with misdirection and, often, lies.
Re-read and double check all their "facts".
Roughly a below industry standard raise of 13-3.5-3.5. No increase to retirement, loss of premium pay, no increase in PTO or vacation. Additional verbiage changes in protections yet to be vetted.
The biggest complaints including industry standard pay, benefits and retirement were not addressed. Healthcare and FSM changes were not included in the PEA. To date changes by email in everything but pay will continue.
As mentioned above training contracts will be required.
One last issue. Pilots wanted all the documents associate with our employment and benefits incorporated into the PEA. JetBlue decided not to do this. Why, because this allows JetBlue to make changes via email to any part of our employement not contained in the pea. Exme, insurance, FSM, dependability policy etc. This is the difference between a pea and a CBA.
75 hours = 13% increase
80 hours = 11.6% increase
85 hours = 8.53% increase
90 hours = 5.94% increase
95 hours = 3.72% increase
100 hours = 1.8% increase
105 hours = 0.12% increase
110 hours = 1.35% decrease
Copied this from another post. 20% my arse.
All JetBlue emails and press releases are filled with misdirection and, often, lies.
Re-read and double check all their "facts".
Roughly a below industry standard raise of 13-3.5-3.5. No increase to retirement, loss of premium pay, no increase in PTO or vacation. Additional verbiage changes in protections yet to be vetted.
The biggest complaints including industry standard pay, benefits and retirement were not addressed. Healthcare and FSM changes were not included in the PEA. To date changes by email in everything but pay will continue.
As mentioned above training contracts will be required.
One last issue. Pilots wanted all the documents associate with our employment and benefits incorporated into the PEA. JetBlue decided not to do this. Why, because this allows JetBlue to make changes via email to any part of our employement not contained in the pea. Exme, insurance, FSM, dependability policy etc. This is the difference between a pea and a CBA.
11-11-2013, 07:01 PM
#377
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 97
Looks like they just bought themselves a union. My take is that they were wagering it would happen anyhow, so they went with a net-neutral cost option to keep pilots working cheap through the next couple years of negotiations when everything is locked down.
11-12-2013, 03:41 AM
#378
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Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 1,099
The PVC SME stated we needed an 18% raise for this year alone to be considered industry standard. Below is what your actual raise should be depending on the approximate hours you fly. (more clarity than the previous chart)
Keep in mind you were due 18% (and 5% more for your retirement)
Pay raise hour by hour:
78 hours: 13.0%
79 hours: 12.3%
80 hours: 11.6%
81 hours: 10.9%
82 hours: 10.3%
83 hours: 9.7%
84 hours: 9.1%
85 hours: 8.5%
86 hours: 8.0%
87 hours: 7.4%
88 hours: 6.9%
89 hours: 6.4%
90 hours: 5.9%
91 hours: 5.5%
92 hours: 5.0%
93 hours: 4.6%
94 hours: 4.1%
95 hours: 3.7%
96 hours: 3.3%
97 hours: 2.9%
98 hours: 2.5%
99 hours: 2.2%
100 hours: 1.8%
101 hours: 1.4%
102 hours: 1.1%
103 hours: 0.8%
104 hours: 0.4%
105 hours: 0.1%
Keep in mind the average lines are targeted towards 80-83 hours.
Also, all first year pilots took a pay cut as 1st year pay was not changed AND premium pay was removed.
Keep in mind you were due 18% (and 5% more for your retirement)
Pay raise hour by hour:
78 hours: 13.0%
79 hours: 12.3%
80 hours: 11.6%
81 hours: 10.9%
82 hours: 10.3%
83 hours: 9.7%
84 hours: 9.1%
85 hours: 8.5%
86 hours: 8.0%
87 hours: 7.4%
88 hours: 6.9%
89 hours: 6.4%
90 hours: 5.9%
91 hours: 5.5%
92 hours: 5.0%
93 hours: 4.6%
94 hours: 4.1%
95 hours: 3.7%
96 hours: 3.3%
97 hours: 2.9%
98 hours: 2.5%
99 hours: 2.2%
100 hours: 1.8%
101 hours: 1.4%
102 hours: 1.1%
103 hours: 0.8%
104 hours: 0.4%
105 hours: 0.1%
Keep in mind the average lines are targeted towards 80-83 hours.
Also, all first year pilots took a pay cut as 1st year pay was not changed AND premium pay was removed.
11-12-2013, 04:06 AM
#379
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Position: 190 FO
Posts: 406
Originally Posted by benzoate
The PVC SME stated we needed an 18% raise for this year alone to be considered industry standard. Below is what your actual raise should be depending on the approximate hours you fly. (more clarity than the previous chart)
Keep in mind you were due 18% (and 5% more for your retirement)
Pay raise hour by hour:
78 hours: 13.0%
79 hours: 12.3%
80 hours: 11.6%
81 hours: 10.9%
82 hours: 10.3%
83 hours: 9.7%
84 hours: 9.1%
85 hours: 8.5%
86 hours: 8.0%
87 hours: 7.4%
88 hours: 6.9%
89 hours: 6.4%
90 hours: 5.9%
91 hours: 5.5%
92 hours: 5.0%
93 hours: 4.6%
94 hours: 4.1%
95 hours: 3.7%
96 hours: 3.3%
97 hours: 2.9%
98 hours: 2.5%
99 hours: 2.2%
100 hours: 1.8%
101 hours: 1.4%
102 hours: 1.1%
103 hours: 0.8%
104 hours: 0.4%
105 hours: 0.1%
Keep in mind the average lines are targeted towards 80-83 hours.
Also, all first year pilots took a pay cut as 1st year pay was not changed AND premium pay was removed.
Keep in mind you were due 18% (and 5% more for your retirement)
Pay raise hour by hour:
78 hours: 13.0%
79 hours: 12.3%
80 hours: 11.6%
81 hours: 10.9%
82 hours: 10.3%
83 hours: 9.7%
84 hours: 9.1%
85 hours: 8.5%
86 hours: 8.0%
87 hours: 7.4%
88 hours: 6.9%
89 hours: 6.4%
90 hours: 5.9%
91 hours: 5.5%
92 hours: 5.0%
93 hours: 4.6%
94 hours: 4.1%
95 hours: 3.7%
96 hours: 3.3%
97 hours: 2.9%
98 hours: 2.5%
99 hours: 2.2%
100 hours: 1.8%
101 hours: 1.4%
102 hours: 1.1%
103 hours: 0.8%
104 hours: 0.4%
105 hours: 0.1%
Keep in mind the average lines are targeted towards 80-83 hours.
Also, all first year pilots took a pay cut as 1st year pay was not changed AND premium pay was removed.
11-12-2013, 04:18 AM
#380
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 207
I'm a little disappointed with the new PEA. However, its more realistic to what a major airline contract has. The big 4 don't offer premium pay, they all have pay caps somewhere around 85-95 hours. We don't have pay caps other than what the FARs dictate for now. PP was a huge incentive to pick up extra flying so I will be interested in seeing what happens now. You can still get PP but its going to be much more difficult now. What I am confused about is merit pay? This looks very open to interpretation and is up to the company. What are the guidelines other than individual NPS scores? Not missing work, no mis commutes, receiving a good letter?? What are the parameters? Can someone post percentages for how year 2 and 3 will look based on those raises along with yearly longevity raises? I'm not angry about it, but I am a little disappointed. bottom line it is a pay raise for most of us. I've never credited over 100 hours and don't intend to. I'm happy doing 80-85 so for me it isn't so bad. Many have gotten spoiled busting 100 - 140+ pay credit every month and for those, yes it's going to hurt. For me, im ok with sacrificing a little pay in exchange for good seniority, schedules and a quicker upgrade than what the legacy carriers offer. I still want to be compensated fairly for my skill set. The positive side to this is more growth, hiring, upgrades, etc to cover flying that may no longer be picked up by pilots. If everyone stuck to even 100 hrs credit they would have to hire more pilots.
Just my 2 cents worth and yes my card is in and I will vote yes. However I'm not going to give myself a stroke getting all worked up about it. We have to stick together (power in numbers), continue to work towards improvement. It took years for SWA to get where they are today. In the over all picture, I'm happy here and have no plans to leave.
Just my 2 cents worth and yes my card is in and I will vote yes. However I'm not going to give myself a stroke getting all worked up about it. We have to stick together (power in numbers), continue to work towards improvement. It took years for SWA to get where they are today. In the over all picture, I'm happy here and have no plans to leave.
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