P-3Bubba

This is a very true statement. The 3 year aspect of this "deal" makes it very apparent that the company is prepared for this reality. I would guess ALPA got a flood of cards yesterday. I may even have to fill mine out. I may have to email Benzo an invitation to my house so he can convince me to sign the card. I'll print it, but signing it will be tough.

rightside02

"Signing it will be tough" you say.....????!


That's a bit of a stretch in my eyes .... Sadly there are too many things not included in our PEA that is included in a normal CBA , this allows the company to change very important things at their free will versus it having to go through group, lawyers , union, committee etc. As much as I feel unions can suck it , I feel JetBlue is very desperately in need of one.

Card is in, and am a newish guy .

Kellwolf

As an FYI, the new PEA is smaller than just the scheduling section of the contact at my last airline.

The non compete needs clarification, but actually having it spelled out is better than the vague reference we had before. Check Sec 13 of previous PEAs. It references a non compete clause in addendum C that we all agreed to abide by. I'd wager it's the exact thing the just put in there spelled out. One could argue, based on the wording of previous PEAs that it's been there all along. We've just been signing on to something we hadn't even read.

Not all new hires are on reserve for a while. I've been at the 85-90 hour mark for 10 of the 12 months I've been here. I certainly am not seeing this as a 13% raise. Guess I'll be seeing my family more and flying less. There's a lot more incentive to pick up that 3 day during a stretch of 7 days off when it's at 150%. Since my budget is set up for making min guarantee, it won't put me in the poor house to do that.

I'd imagine reserves will be flying more since more open time will probably be left there.

Sig178

This guy gets it

benzoate

For our purposes today we will leave section 15 out as non of us are lawyers.

Except first year pilots everyone got a raise. 18% is industry standard for the first year. Jetblue advertised 13%. Unless you are a reserve pilot or fly exactly 78 hours no pilot received the advertised 13%. Years 2 and 3 pay scales will mimic 2014 and few pilots will receive the Jetblue advertised pay raise. So to recap 18% was industry standard and Jetblue claimed 13% but in reality the pilot receives much less. Retirement is now codified 5+3=13.

News flash!!! Jetblue pilots are still well below industry average.

The next issue and equally important, imho, is the lack of inclusion of specific language in the PEA for insurance, the FSM 2007/2010, the 5 documents, proper ASAP language and the $2,000,000 merger fund still floats and is only a supplement AFTER you spend all of your own money.

The Jetblue way is to change a document via email or as of late via comply365 update. No benefits, outside of pay, are guaranteed in the PEA. We aren't much better of than we were before.
The fact the airline is able to change a document at a moments notice, forgive me remain flexible, is a detriment to our pilot group as we have seen with the FSM sections not turned on that were agreed to in 2010. Why, because they are not contractually guaranteed.

I know the rhetoric of nothing is guaranteed. I get it. Bankruptcy nullifies a contract. Jetblue is thriving. We are not a bankrupt company.

Jetblue pilots got raises and that is a great thing but management made it crystal clear yesterday it has ZERO intentions of ever making Jetblue a career destination. Airlines become career destinations because unions negotiate them into that category and not because of managements good will.

Beechnut58

Does anyone think more people will be very hesitant to apply in light of the "no compete clause" or is it not an easy thing to enforce? Hopefully some JB pilots can get some clarity for the people that care about it.

Thumbs882

True but I was only on reserve 2 months.

Kellwolf

I'm already hearing it from people. It's been less than 24 hours, and I've already heard three people say they were crossing JetBlue off their list of places to apply. So much for being concerned about attracting talent.

Dizel8

A bit of an odd statement.

I would gather, that you have Tri-Care and mil spec retirement, that is the only way I can reconcile your reluctance.

The problem with the "I'm okay, doesn't affect me" kind of thinking is that when it finally does, no one will speak for you when it finally does affect you.

Further, is there some reason why you believe that your fellow pilot shouldn't have decent healthcare, shouldn't have retirement similar to other major airline pilots, shouldn't have access to vacation?

By not submitting a card, you are essentially saying that you think what ELT has done over the years, gutting of benefits, vacation, scheduling is just fine with you.

MrBigAir

^^ Anyone interested in copy-pasting this non-compete/training contract clause so many of us on the outside wanting in can make an educated decision? It seems there is interpretation between furloughees, wholly owned, and just contract feed companies.

Personally, I'm not interested in my labor/skills being strong-armed into a corner for two years by company lawyers taking advantage of my meager economic means preventing me from mounting my own defense. I bristle at these tactics. The free movement of labor is part of what supposedly makes this economic system work.

If my time and skills are going to be more appropriately compensated elsewhere, that should be saying something to the employer. This clause could indicate that they are well aware that the compensation package is not necessarily sufficient.