I'm not engaged in propaganda, you are. I am telling prospective new hires what the REALITY of our pay, benefits, work rules and retirement are. Not to mention our low proportion of pilot retirements and slowing growth plans. I do this in large part because I don't want guys coming here and being extremely disappointed when they fully learn the reality of our career expectations vs what some of you bluejuicers tell them. They deserve to know fully what they are getting into.

I also refuse to help management staff this airline until our CBA matches our peers.

Tell me which of my main points here are inaccurate?

 

Propaganda is spreading biased or misleading information. Management pilots and pilots who rarely fly the line telling current and prospective pilots how swell jetblue is qualifies a propaganda.

 

Interviews are Now conducted in Orlando for the guy who asked

 

Thanks rightside02

 

Ok how about this. We can all agree things need to be fixed. We voted in ALPA for a reason and we still don't have a contract. So the problems that existed then still exist now. Guys are getting impatient. It's not propaganda. It's the truth. Most of the guys I fly with want change and aren't just "happy to be here". They are stuck here for better or worse and that's just a product of our industry.

On the flip side of the coin it's not a bad thing to be satisfied and happy to work at JetBlue. I am. Truly. I don't dread coming to work. We have a great pilot group and for the most part our fellow employees are all happy and pleasant people to work with.

This bickering back and forth is not productive to any of us. I'm guilty as much as the next guy. We need to stand united. Things will get better. They have to.

 

Well said rvr

 

I don't disagree with any of this. The CBA progress is good, so I'm happy with where we are. I will become unhappy if we go into mediation, and stop making forward progress. Our negotiations are moving along well, so as long as progress is being made, things are good. There absolutely is pressure on both sides to get a deal quickly. ALPA wants one for obvious reasons, and management wants one because Jetblue needs to be able to compete for pilots. Someone said earlier that it isn't a problem yet, but will be in a year. Management is already looking at that year and beyond. They know that a CBA is critical to our business survival, and that's why they are asking for more negotiating days.

My last carrier took 6 years to negotiate a deal. We got parked, had a strike vote, etc. We aren't there yet. Not even close. I believe that most of the people who think we are moving slowly have zero experience with airline negotiations. If we get a contract next year, that's lightning fast, especially for an initial CBA. We need this to be done right, and it takes time to do so.

 

That's not entirely accurate. Just because negotiations for an initial CBA have historically taken a long time for airlines, that doesn't mean we are bound to a long drawn out process. If management truly wanted a contract fast, we could already have one. They know what we want and could have made it happen, but they want what is in their best interest, not the pilots', hence the going back and forth with offer/counter offers. That's their job...to give us as little as possible to maintain an acceptable accession/retention standard while getting a TA approved by the NC/MEC and sent to the group to receive 51% of the votes. That is why you are cheering for the wrong team.

 

How do YOU KNOW that management is looking at a year and beyond in the future and that they know that a CBA is critical to our business survival?

How do you KNOW that?

 

I don't not not disagree with this.

I will correct you on one point though. The company has not asked for more negotiating dates. Only ALPA has and the company has agreed to them.