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Old 03-29-2017 | 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
He was being sarcastic. The guys he named are actively attempting to "control" the narrative makes things seem horrible here to get people to not apply because that makes our bargaining position stronger.
Make things "seem" horrible? You really are special. Compare JB pay and benefits to our peers and tell me how they"seem" to you. That doesn't even include things that are harder to compare like our terrible vacation/sick accrual or our very poor healthcare plans.

Why you defend this company before we have a CBA is just mind-blowing.
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Old 03-29-2017 | 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
I think we have to keep speaking rationally, and not let those with an axe to grind (on either side) run the show. I've always felt that you're reasonable and thoughtful. That's good to see here.
Two questions bluejuicer. Are you pleased we are paid soon much lower than our peers with much worse work rules and benefits? Does that please you?

Second question, why defend JetBlue BEFORE we get a CBA comparable to our peers? Why?
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Old 03-29-2017 | 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
Allow for dissenting opinion ya child
Man you should look up the word ironic.

I'll skip the name calling part. Classy
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Old 03-29-2017 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Make things "seem" horrible? You really are special. Compare JB pay and benefits to our peers and tell me how they"seem" to you. That doesn't even include things that are harder to compare like our terrible vacation/sick accrual or our very poor healthcare plans.

Why you defend this company before we have a CBA is just mind-blowing.
He defends it because they know who he is and he's trying to climb the OSC ladder. Advancement at OSC is not based on merit but rather the ability to brown nose. Its comical as the instructors are always complaining to the union about work rules and pay but when it comes time to make a formal request then clam up.

None of the instructors want to give up that cushy job and actually work and thats their choice but its funny he comments on life at jetblue when he sits in an ivory tower on the periphery.
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Old 03-29-2017 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by benzoate
He defends it because they know who he is and he's trying to climb the OSC ladder. Advancement at OSC is not based on merit but rather the ability to brown nose. Its comical as the instructors are always complaining to the union about work rules and pay but when it comes time to make a formal request then clam up.



None of the instructors want to give up that cushy job and actually work and thats their choice but its funny he comments on life at jetblue when he sits in an ivory tower on the periphery.


You are clueless.
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Old 03-29-2017 | 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Two questions bluejuicer. Are you pleased we are paid soon much lower than our peers with much worse work rules and benefits? Does that please you?



Second question, why defend JetBlue BEFORE we get a CBA comparable to our peers? Why?


I've covered this in previous posts. Yes. I want improvements to QOL and pay. I'm an ALPA member in good standing, and I go to meetings and vote in elections.

I'm not defending JetBlue. I'm countering your propaganda. I find it disingenuous that you come on here with an agenda, instead of just answering questions when asked. The guys who want to get hired here deserve better.
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Old 03-29-2017 | 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
You are clueless.
Am I, really? Its tough to hear the truth.

Comment all you want as this is a public board but I suggest you temper your commentary when you neither fly the line nor intend to in the future. Your myopic view of the airline is dictated by your absence of experience in the Jetblue reality and, as such, lacks currency in its content. Its truly nauseating to listen management type pilots bloviate on the merits of a culture and experience they don't truly know or understand.
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Old 03-29-2017 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by benzoate
Am I, really? Its tough to hear the truth.



Comment all you want as this is a public board but I suggest you temper your commentary when you neither fly the line nor intend to in the future. Your myopic view of the airline is dictated by your absence of experience in the Jetblue reality and, as such, lacks currency in its content. Its truly nauseating to listen management type pilots bloviate on the merits of a culture and experience they don't truly know or understand.


1. I fly more than most instructors. My FO from the two day trip that I just flew agrees with me that you and your ilk have lost perspective. I asked him how he feels because I want to know if my experience is incorrect. I've flown with him a bunch, so I trust his response is truthful.

Maybe MCO is a happier base, but the FOs I fly with want contract improvements, but also say that it's a good place to work. That's exactly how I feel as well.

2. I flew the line for a year on reserve here prior to going into training, so it isn't as if I never was in the daily operation.

3. Read my posts. I haven't bloviated on the merits of culture. I've countered the propaganda you guys are spouting. I have no problem discussing the areas that need improvement. I DO have a problem with negativity, particularly when it is written in propaganda format.
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Old 03-29-2017 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Southerner
1. I fly more than most instructors. My FO from the two day trip that I just flew agrees with me that you and your ilk have lost perspective. I asked him how he feels because I want to know if my experience is incorrect. I've flown with him a bunch, so I trust his response is truthful.

Maybe MCO is a happier base, but the FOs I fly with want contract improvements, but also say that it's a good place to work. That's exactly how I feel as well.

2. I flew the line for a year on reserve here prior to going into training, so it isn't as if I never was in the daily operation.

3. Read my posts. I haven't bloviated on the merits of culture. I've countered the propaganda you guys are spouting. I have no problem discussing the areas that need improvement. I DO have a problem with negativity, particularly when it is written in propaganda format.
1. I fly more than most instructors? Your requirement is 4 legs per month which translates to two turns, no overnights. Cherry picking to fly with a pilot you are good friends with is excellent perspective.

2. You're flying the line for 1 whole year while on reserve truly compares to the grind of line flying at jetblue airways?

3. We've all read your posts and are acutely aware of the tone and content.

Listen, Im sure your a nice guy but to be clear your experience and that of a line pilot are dissimilar. Again, you are an instructor who is avoiding returning to the line. You know it and I know it and while that is your choice you DO NOT have an accurate picture of life at this airline. Like most of the instructors you were hired, applied to OSC and then became an expert on the culture and the bus. Volunteer with standards on special projects and sing the praises of the airline. ITs part of the deal at OSC otherwise you are pushed out. You play the game well and again thats your prerogative. The scenario plays out year after year.

The complaint most line pilots have is when those who don't know speak as if they do. Tell us what is like at OSC, not the rest. You are intentionally insulated lacking experience and perspective.
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Old 03-29-2017 | 06:20 AM
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Where are interviews conducted?
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