Requirement for cleaning the cabin during turns is not contained within the duties and responsibilities, of Capt./FO, or even F/A for that matter as outlined in the FOM of any carrier I've worked for. Never been discussed during any interview or basic indoc.

BTW... Isn't JB ALPA now? Is or will reference to cabin cleaning part of the contract? Better yet... Will JB expect crews to clean the jet after the last flight of the day?

Perhaps JB should consider ceasing operations if the cost of hiring qualified cleaning personnel to clean their jets.

Hearing the "talk" of Aewanabe, makes me want to clean with the hope I'm flying with aewanabe just so I could upset him even more and the hopes he would "write me up" or call pro standards on me. I'm sorry this is hilarious.

I feel the same way.

aewanabe please give more clues about yourself so I can add you to my bid prefer list so I can be your FO and clean every flight with you. Pleeeeease... So you are a 3 year capt on the bus. Sounds like you still have that angry pilot syndrome from the regionals.

And since your profile says CR7 and you've been here 4 months, do you therefore have that "I'm just happy to be here 'cuz it's better than Skywest mentality?". 8.5 years here, I'm far past being an angry regional pilot.

I backed off a bit on the other thread, and haven't tried very hard to hide my identity. You can research my posts or PM me if you'd like to know more.

The ghosts of Pan Am, TWA, United, Delta, Eastern (and other) pilots that built this profession and tried to elevate it from the ranks of bus driver are turning in their graves.

That is it. No more arguments should be required. Please respect what our customers want. It is not that hard. We should not even have a thread like this.

I am on reserve, so anyway usually when I get a call there is never time to do anything more than the basic duties. If there is enough time and they were friendly, I buy the FAs coffee when I get mine. I never wait nor ask for the trash bag and waters, always get them myself.
When I non-rev I do my row as requested on our pass rider guide.

Now to spin the argument, I saw multiple times FAs doing nothing while the non revs were scrambling to cross and clean, so much for team work.

It is a nice gesture. It certainly should not be in JB's hiring requirements. It is very telling of the culture management is attempting to facilitate. If somebody wants to help out, that is great. A pilots job is flying the plane safely and being a good representation of company values. How does cleaning the plane as a pilot help(not trained in cleaning)? Do they give you rubber gloves and Clorox? Do you want to get yourself sick cleaning that filth?

GuardBummer, I've flown with tons of Pease guys, maybe even you (now you know my base). In the other thread, which admittedly got a bit heated, I referenced the FOM and FCOM when another poster called me out, with the caveat that I don't really want to go that route. Section 1 of the FOM has some pretty good info about turn time guidelines, and the respective duties of each pilot. If I respectfully explained my opinion on cleaning to you, asked you to defer when our customers and union have done the same, then pointed out more important priorities in our duties, you'd go back to cleaning to prove a point? I'd win that battle, but it's sad it even needs to be fought.

I thought ghosts were free to move around, I doubt they hang out in their own graves. :eek: