It says exactly that for every listed job position described in the FOM EXCEPT pilots.

Good gravy, you quoted an entire message where I pointed out real pitfalls that have happened in the operation, and your takeaway was my attitude?

My very first response in the other thread ended with the words "I'd courteously ask you to desist". At which point you and a couple others went with "you're not the boss of me, your FO will go to HR for harassment...". In what screwed-up world of major airline pilots is a Captain requesting the FO to perform his or her duties IAW the FOM, then going to Pro Stans AFTER that is refused, harassment? (Other than JetBlue that is...)

I also have yet to see you address any of the multiple posters, myself included, reminding you that your passengers as well as your Union have made their positions quite clear. Why is your personal desire to play janitor more important than those positions?

If after all that my attitude is your issue, I'm cool with that. It's unfortunate, but whatever. We're talking past each other on this issue, and I don't see it changing.

You're trying to say guys that clean are doing so while neglecting their duties as a First Officer. That's simply not the case and you threatening to go to Pro Stans is a ridiculous argument. You're making those of us making legitimate arguments look bad.

And if you look around on the internal website, you will find a Podcast that has the lead of inflight answer a question from an FA about how to get a pilot to help clean because they never do... A: give them a set of gloves.

The doctor does not scrub the floors after surgery.

Genuinely sorry you feel that way. I have yet to see this guy respond to any of us pointing out that the passengers and union don't want to see it.

Those situations I mentioned are all real-life examples of things I've had happen in the operation (all on the 190). In every case, at some point after the situation was resolved I've taken a quiet moment (cruise, waiting on the contract guy to show up, etc) to ask the other guy "hey, next time let's stay on task with our attention to this stuff rather than pitching in back there, huh?" (MEL review, catching the dispatch errors, getting the walkaround done sooner than 10 minutes prior to departure, etc). I have yet to have any response other than usually some sheepish, "you bet, sorry, good point, D'oh"....

If on the contrary one of these internet hotheads wants to run the "don't tell me what to do" table, you bet Pro Stans would be the next step. I'm honestly curious, why do you view that as a threat and what step would you take instead?

You could "tell me" all you want, if I ever fly with you, I will still happily help cross a few rows of seat belts, and still have time to do the walkaround and come back and do some DIAFRIPS all while being ready to go to add the bag and pax counts. It's really not that hard to show that you want to help and not waste time or delay your duties as a FO. Call pro standards till you are blue in the face. Yes I'm happy to be here too. If you want to PM me too, go right ahead, not going to change my attitude to help out if time allows.

There you go.
I am just not a fan of people kind of attacking my company without knowing what they are talking about.

Whoever started this thread is a f$cking idiot.

I don't clean neither should any other pilot.

If you are a sky janitor go ahead and clean but get your cr@p out of the flight deck before you do.

If you fly with me and you feel the need to dumpster dive you are on your own and I am off to the hotel without you.

This thread needs to die. NOW!

F'ing unbelievable!!

Nuff said.

Some airlines actually hire cleaners even at the outstations.
Our FAs aren't even required to clean during a turn.

Good for your FAs


We do have cleaners. This is why this thread ticks me off. Now we have a bunch of people who don't work here and have no idea what the procedures are or what our union says give us their opinion and acting all holier-than-thou.
But It looks like from your other posts that you are a Delta pilot so I guess that comes natural for you :)