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antbar01 06-16-2016 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by uptpilot (Post 2139335)
Or maybe this is the fact that the airlines are working to further erode the respectability and pay of the profession. Look at how the VA just today announced they are going to be using more Nurses with the ability to write prescriptions. (as if somehow prescriptions were the solution to every ailment) Doctors disagree with this practice but of course, they are not being listened to by management. A terrible VA is just about to get even worse!

Not a good example. The people you're referring to are called "nurse practitioners," and it's been well established that in many situations, including primary care, they have patient outcomes equal or superior to patients treated by doctors. The AMA, however, is a VERY strong union, and has done quite a bit to keep these providers on the outs... so while I object to your point in fact, in principle ALPA could take a page from the AMA's playbook.

Whoathereeasy 06-16-2016 02:43 PM

My opinion
 
So the resentment is quite understood, from my understanding JB wants the guys to learn the JB way from get go. Training at most schools is 6-7 months, JB training is 15+mos, then mandated 1500 hrs or 24mos at CAE whichever is LONGER, then class date for next available for FO training so about 5 yrs all together, similar to the regional path just about. If you did training at GA flight school, you'll be in regionals by year 3 then 4-5 yrs to major and that's a very optimistic outlook. This program saves you maybe 3-4 yrs half of which is spent on reserve and hot reserve at regional anyways. With most regionals now having flow thru to major without interview str8 class date, JB is simply gearing up to have a guaranteed pilot supply starting late 2021 and there on, 24 cadets per year and the rest hired from pool, 125k is a very hefty price tag but it's an investment in yourself just like you'd take a student loan for any specialized degree. There are pros and cons to every path and different opinions from different perspectives, I guess in 15 yrs the , now new cadets, would be resentful against cadets whose training would be sponsored by the airline and the, now older generation, cadets paid OOP. But I know this, going forward, this will be the way of training pilots, majors paying, bond signed for employment, pilot employed at regional and flow thru to major in 5 yrs or so. Gotta be !!

mkfmbos 04-26-2018 02:43 AM


Originally Posted by grim04 (Post 2106719)
Absolutely the worst thing that is happening. Will it be worth it to spend all that money to never touch the controls of an airline? We are still trying to get this abysmal program shut down. Hopefully with our new CBA it will address this in some way. maybe anyone that comes through the program gets put on a B scale pay wise at 15$ an hour. That should shut it down. So if you want to gamble go ahead but we will know who the specials are.

Don't hammer the guy looking for a job. You would have done the same if the opportunity was there. Hammer the pilots creating this $$$$. The FAA is going to do trials on reducing the cockpit to one pilot. Guess what kind of professionals are running that research. PILOTS. Experienced ones at that. We are our own worst enemies.

eryka 02-13-2019 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by BlueBlood (Post 2106704)
You doing it wrong. My 1st class + EKG was $60
I think you screwed it up here and try to BS your way out

I have 1st class. Got mine 9 months ago and he accepted A 2-years old EKG. Yaayyyy

eryka 02-13-2019 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy (Post 2114880)
That's a huge ($125,000.00) gamble. What if JB isn't JB in 4 years? What if you don't make it? Do you get any type of refund at any point along the way if you opt out? Will you get any health benefits during your 4 years of training?

Don't expect any respect from your peers for choosing this path.

GP

I don't understand why a pilot graduated from this program shouldn't be respected. By any mean is an easy way, at all!
This program it isn't for me as 4-years is a huge period of time. But for those that come thru, I feel they should have nothing but the utmost respect.
I don't understand for real your and many other peer's point.

hilltopflyer 02-13-2019 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by eryka (Post 2763680)
I don't understand why a pilot graduated from this program shouldn't be respected. By any mean is an easy way, at all!
This program it isn't for me as 4-years is a huge period of time. But for those that come thru, I feel they should have nothing but the utmost respect.
I don't understand for real your and many other peer's point.

Umm because all they are doing is trying to buy their way into a major airline job.... didn’t put in anytime or real hard work to get there. Regionals, mil, cargo, 135 etc

BeatNavy 02-13-2019 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by eryka (Post 2763680)
I don't understand why a pilot graduated from this program shouldn't be respected. By any mean is an easy way, at all!
This program it isn't for me as 4-years is a huge period of time. But for those that come thru, I feel they should have nothing but the utmost respect.
I don't understand for real your and many other peer's point.

Try again in English. I don’t understand what you just said. And the post you quoted is almost a year old.

CanoeBum 02-13-2019 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by eryka (Post 2763680)
I don't understand why a pilot graduated from this program shouldn't be respected. By any mean is an easy way, at all!
This program it isn't for me as 4-years is a huge period of time. But for those that come thru, I feel they should have nothing but the utmost respect.
I don't understand for real your and many other peer's point.

From zero time to jetblue took me 12 years of flying, and that’s just a fart in the wind compared to a large group of my peers. 4 years is a huge period of time? Get real guy... this program is a shortcut and a slap in the face to everyone that came before you.

Southerner 02-13-2019 06:44 PM

Dude has got to be a troll.

Speedbird2263 02-13-2019 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by Southerner (Post 2763716)
Dude has got to be a troll.

The trolling in the JetBlue forums, on various fronts, has been A-grade lately...


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