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LAXative 04-10-2016 03:00 PM

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Flyby1206 04-10-2016 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by NASA (Post 2107222)
If one is a decent pilot, they can fly any airplane at 1,500 hours..E190 is another RJ and flying an RJ is no different than flying an A380..I flew both and can even go on and tell you that the A380 was much easier to fly than an RJ..I think guys here make it a big deal because you will get to bypass the regional airlines via the jetblue program and they resent that because they want everyone to pay their dues because they had to..More of a jealousy/resentment issue than a safety issue..E190 is another RJ no different than an E170 or CRJ...

You're correct about the resentment.

Additionally, I'm sure you could fly an ILS after just a few hours of practice, but flying the plane is just a small part of the job.

ZipZap 04-10-2016 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by NASA (Post 2107218)
The front office investment banking analysts on Wall Street you are referring to are treated like crap..They start at 80k base and their bonus is around 40k first year bringing their total first year pay to 120k..Keep in mind, this is for working 80-100 hours a week..These analysts are usually kids from top tier schools(HYPSW,Columbia, Cornell,etc..You get the idea) and have stellar grades..You can't compare them with pilots..Also, investment banking has a huge weeding process..Less than 5% of these analysts ever go on to become Managing Directors( where the money is at)...You just make it sound so simple, truth is, it's a very difficult career path...Being an airline pilot is a fairly easy job that you can do with average skills...Investment Banking itself is not hard, it's getting in and staying there/moving up...I have plenty of investment banking MD's in my family so I know what I'm talking about...

You missed my point. I have good friends/family in IB as well.

The point is that while only a small portion of new analysts will become MDs, they all have good salaries ("only $120k" - still more than double the median FAMILY income at age 22), very well defined career paths (analyst->associate->VP->MD), and great exit opportunities even if their first bank does not work out.

Meanwhile pilots looking to get into majors seems to be working at a regional for anywhere between 5-10 years (or more??), while making middling wages and hoping to one day get a call from a major. And, oh yeah, your skills are really not transferable to any other industry.

I went to a school that is just outside of the ones you listed. And the difference in career security was a major reason why I didn't look towards aviation (outside of the USN I mentioned in my initial post) until a program like this came along.

hindsight2020 04-10-2016 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by ZipZap (Post 2107241)
You missed my point. I have good friends/family in IB as well.

The point is that while only a small portion of new analysts will become MDs, they all have good salaries ("only $120k" - still more than double the median FAMILY income at age 22), very well defined career paths (analyst->associate->VP->MD), and great exit opportunities even if their first bank does not work out.

Meanwhile pilots looking to get into majors seems to be working at a regional for anywhere between 5-10 years (or more??), while making middling wages and hoping to one day get a call from a major. And, oh yeah, your skills are really not transferable to any other industry.

I went to a school that is just outside of the ones you listed. And the difference in career security was a major reason why I didn't look towards aviation (outside of the USN I mentioned in my initial post) until a program like this came along.

Absolutely. If military aviation hadn't been an option for me, I wouldn't have pursued professional aviation on a full time basis any more than I had upon college graduation, especially if it entailed enduring financial insolvency in my 20 and 30s, stuck under a regional-type compensation model. That's a fact. I gambled some awful putting all my eggs on the Guard/Reserve basket, and it worked out. I've busted my rear for a decade and it hasn't been perfect (divorce, crappy duty locations wrecking the living hell out of my personal life and my family's QOL), but I still acknowledge how lucky I have been to not have to pursue a regional job in order to put food on the table because that's somehow the best I could do for myself and my family.

That would just have been too high of an opportunity cost for my eventual liabilities as a future head of household and one with the desire to attain a retirement lifestyle that requires six figure household income for decades, in order to attain. To each their own. I totally understand the resentment on the part of the regional hung starters who didn't have the luxury of doing the 4 year touch 'n go the regional pay model was designed for in the first place, misplaced anger as it may be.

blueballs 04-10-2016 03:37 PM

This program is an insult to those of us that paid dues to get to a major. Long story short boys you won't be welcomed among the pilots which will make your career miserable, but I guess if management likes you well neat

aviatormjc 04-10-2016 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by blueballs (Post 2107261)
This program is an insult to those of us that paid dues to get to a major. Long story short boys you won't be welcomed among the pilots which will make your career miserable, but I guess if management likes you well neat


7600 TT 2100 TPIC Aviation Bachelors

Been applying to JB since 2013. Used to be my #1 airline, now just a stepping stone because I'll be pulling gear for guys 20 years younger than me because of this program. And there are plenty of guys like me who would've loved to get the call from JB.

LAXative 04-10-2016 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by blueballs (Post 2107261)
This program is an insult to those of us that paid dues to get to a major. Long story short boys you won't be welcomed among the pilots which will make your career miserable, but I guess if management likes you well neat

They are paying their dues also. Just in a different way. You are just envious.

pilotpayne 04-10-2016 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by aviatormjc (Post 2107267)
7600 TT 2100 TPIC Aviation Bachelors

Been applying to JB since 2013. Used to be my #1 airline, now just a stepping stone because I'll be pulling gear for guys 20 years younger than me because of this program. And there are plenty of guys like me who would've loved to get the call from JB.

You can still get a call.
Those guys are years away from hitting the line. Now we do have a young group so if you don't like a young guy in the left seat......well

expectholding 04-10-2016 04:54 PM

Resentment may be something to do with it. You may be able to fly the plane just fine. But when this happens...

Accident: Jetblue E190 at Nassau on Mar 25th 2016, nose gear up landing

...or something of the sort, I need someone in that cockpit of value, not just to press buttons or turn a yoke, but to offer feedback and insight on the situation.

I don't want one of you sitting next to me and not able to recall upon any true airmanship experience to get the job done.

LAXative 04-10-2016 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by expectholding (Post 2107302)
Resentment may be something to do with it. You may be able to fly the plane just fine. But when this happens...

Accident: Jetblue E190 at Nassau on Mar 25th 2016, nose gear up landing

...or something of the sort, I need someone in that cockpit of value, not just to press buttons or turn a yoke, but to offer feedback and insight on the situation.

I don't want one of you sitting next to me and not able to recall upon any true airmanship experience to get the job done.

I'm willing to bet that was the first time for the two of them to have to make a gear up landing. They had just as much experience at this as a newbie would.


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