Originally Posted by rightside02

16 hours plus a 2 hour extension is 100 % legal in certain conditions , just had his happen at UAL for the first time in my career , 117 does allow for it. It's basically your max duty time from table B , plus always having the ability to do a 2 hour extension, hence 16 + 2 = 18 , Under certain conditions as a reserve, it's legit , I called all kinds of people cause I didn't believe it my self , then accepted the extension, called alpa and other people in the know the day after to tripppe check this .

It's legit under certain conditions , however I couldn't speak for what happened in your FO's case.

Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand

Sure it's legal in that case but why would you accept it?

Originally Posted by Up7997

That's only for the lucky international trolls.

Originally Posted by P-3Bubba

Thats a good question about going over 16 hours. I've heard guys being told that this is ok. Once they get called out they're subject to a 2 hour extension according to FAR 117. I've told multiple FO's that this is NOT the case. The most time you're available for duty from the start of your RAP to the end of whatever assignment you've been give is 16 hours. The 16 hour thing is usually the most controlling time once you've been called off RSV for a pairing assignment. The flight hours doesnt usually play or FDP based on Table B isn't usually a player either. I've heard CS will tell the pilot "Oh Table B applies so you're good for an extension past 16 hours". Nope. Another good one is, "Well you can waive your 10 hour rest." Once again, Nope. It's usually the less than 1 year FO that doesnt have 121 experience that's getting talked into this.

-Bubs

Originally Posted by Xtreme87

Doesn't UAL get like 5 hours at premium for an extension? Might consider it if the price is right.

Originally Posted by TalkTurkey

Trolling would be that today jetBlue will announce their acquisition by UAL. Haha.

Originally Posted by Gearswinger

It may be legal to take a 2hr extension to go to 18hr, but it's not required. It takes very little backbone to turn it down, go to a hotel, and go home the next day. I did it twice last month, and if I'm asked to go beyond 16hr again this month I'd imagine I will not feel it's safe to be on duty that long in August as well. Every CA I've flown with when I've been scheduled to come close to 16hr has voiced no objections when I've said that I'm not good to go beyond that point.

Originally Posted by WorkingUp

Say this happens and you refuse the extension (the extension in this example is for a DH), anyone happen to know what the pay implications are?

Originally Posted by Softpayman

That sounds super safe. "Well, I was too tired but they were gonna pay me an insane amount so I took the extension."

Of course I'd rather get paid more.... just saying it's a slippery slope.