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11-03-2017, 09:18 AM
#4531
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Originally Posted by Southerner
Yeah, the lack of scope is a big deal. But at least the rates are in now, so we have all of the numbers to compare with for our own negotiations.
11-03-2017, 10:41 AM
#4533
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Originally Posted by Combatcraig
Totally different analysis of the email (where we are at) here vs BluePilots. Sky is falling and rage against the machine over there... The truth is somewhere in between imo.
Confirmation bias... They want the sky to fall, so they ignore the positive aspects of the email. The fact that it says “We made advancements this week.” Is a positive thing. Also, they noted that the mediator has been “quite helpful.” Another positive. Plus, we have agreed to more mediation sessions.
We are in the end stages, so any movement at this point is good. If it were headed towards impasse, the tone would be much more negative. Anyone who has been through an airline negotiation would understand how positive that last email was. It’s a night and day difference from the last carrier.
These things take patience, and frankly, the posts over there on the other site are downright harmful to our cause.
11-03-2017, 10:54 AM
#4534
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Originally Posted by Southerner
Confirmation bias... They want the sky to fall, so they ignore the positive aspects of the email. The fact that it says “We made advancements this week.” Is a positive thing. Also, they noted that the mediator has been “quite helpful.” Another positive. Plus, we have agreed to more mediation sessions.
We are in the end stages, so any movement at this point is good. If it were headed towards impasse, the tone would be much more negative. Anyone who has been through an airline negotiation would understand how positive that last email was. It’s a night and day difference from the last carrier.
These things take patience, and frankly, the posts over there on the other site are downright harmful to our cause.
We are in the end stages, so any movement at this point is good. If it were headed towards impasse, the tone would be much more negative. Anyone who has been through an airline negotiation would understand how positive that last email was. It’s a night and day difference from the last carrier.
These things take patience, and frankly, the posts over there on the other site are downright harmful to our cause.
Oh now you did it
11-03-2017, 12:54 PM
#4535
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Originally Posted by Combatcraig
Totally different analysis of the email (where we are at) here vs BluePilots. Sky is falling and rage against the machine over there... The truth is somewhere in between imo.
11-03-2017, 02:28 PM
#4536
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Word...
One thing we ALL agree upon is this has taken long enough. The pilot group here HAS been patient while still providing the same excellent service that we are known for. I’m still pretty wet behind the ears here but what i can honestly say is, the pilots I’ve flown with are flat out of patience and their good will is pretty much used up...
One thing we ALL agree upon is this has taken long enough. The pilot group here HAS been patient while still providing the same excellent service that we are known for. I’m still pretty wet behind the ears here but what i can honestly say is, the pilots I’ve flown with are flat out of patience and their good will is pretty much used up...
11-03-2017, 03:05 PM
#4537
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
Oh now you did it
The fact that there is still robust communication is a good sign. Still not holding my breath...Maybe we'll have something to vote on just before Summer.
11-03-2017, 04:24 PM
#4538
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
Hey that email even looked positive to me
The fact that there is still robust communication is a good sign. Still not holding my breath...Maybe we'll have something to vote on just before Summer.
The fact that there is still robust communication is a good sign. Still not holding my breath...Maybe we'll have something to vote on just before Summer.
Obviously it could change in an instant.
11-03-2017, 07:04 PM
#4539
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It's hard to throw out a timeline because we don't know if/when the company will provide a proposal the NC finds acceptable. But the email was fairly positive. Progress was made.
I also have to disagree a bit that nothing was lost or gained by Alaska. They didn't get everything they wanted, but they got significant increases in pay. Not as much as they maybe expected, but it certainly raised the bar for us and shows that the market trend for pilot wages is very much upward, and that strongly supports our proposals to the company.
I also have to disagree a bit that nothing was lost or gained by Alaska. They didn't get everything they wanted, but they got significant increases in pay. Not as much as they maybe expected, but it certainly raised the bar for us and shows that the market trend for pilot wages is very much upward, and that strongly supports our proposals to the company.
11-04-2017, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
It is a big deal. But they had no scope before. Zero gain zero loss.
Then Cape Air gets 60 E175s, rebrands as B6 Lite and our seniority list stops cold for five years.
This may be stating the obvious for many, but I fly with guys who don’t understand the gigantic hammer that a weak or nonexistent scope clause gives the company. It is the single piece of leverage the pilot group has over the company short of labor action.
We should DEFINITELY be very vigilant here. No scope/weak scope is a no vote for me. Southwest is the example.
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