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Originally Posted by Otterbox
(Post 2375667)
Yet these same legacies are hiring more folks than those avenues can provide and will be for the foreseeable future. The flows and preferential interviews are recruitment tools to keep their regionals staffed. There are definitely non military folks getting hired at AA off the street and word is that Only 1/3 of the folks getting preferential interviews at DAL are getting a Job offer. The CPP folks at United Express carriers get snagged by the hogan all of the time.
Don't invent additional barriers to dissuade yourself from applying. If you meet the minimum requirments throw in an application and start working on ways to improve it as you get more serious about leaving. |
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
(Post 2375679)
And there it is. Another giant disappointment for a system bid.
25 total upgrades. At this rate you can expect upgrade in about 15 years. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by atrdriver
(Post 2375627)
I think the point is we shouldn't have to even talk about leaving, much less put time and energy into the effort. If they treated pilots with respect, compensated them properly and showed more competence in operating an airline this wouldn't even be a discussion.
As bluedriver and I talked about in a different forum, it's the wasted potential this place has that is the most annoying. It could be great but they can't seem to get there. |
Originally Posted by NightOwl
(Post 2375681)
I think the biggest barrier most guy face or at least for me is time and money. Finding the time (which means sacrificing our precious days off ) to go out to those job fairs to stand in line with a bunch of other guys to be able to speak a recruiter for a couple of minutes. And the need to spend money on hotels, cars, and resume services to go to these job fairs in hopes that maybe the big boys will call.
Luckily the folks at JetBlue are in a somewhat better position time off and Money wise than many other places in the industry to make those types of commitments. |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 2375593)
Last time I checked crewtrac about a month ago we had broken 3500 pilots. Now we are back below 3500. We are literally a shrinking airline with no retirements!
#keepsgettingbetterrightjoecouldn'thelpmyself! |
Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
(Post 2375570)
Agreed on B6 getting it together.
However, they say they feel okay with the number of apps and stated that its the 3-5 year outlook that they fear. Thats what theyre selling in recurrent along with the low attrition numbers anyway. It could just be posturing, but I fail to see the incentive for a CBA if they truly are not concerned with attrition or apps on file. It's not a problem till it is. The problem is if you get behind in staffing it's not easy to catch up. I can just see the guys saying everything is fine no problems whatsoever, yeah we hit an iceberg but we have time to get off the ship. Except there are not enough lifeboats the water is freezing and help is over 5 hours away. But the accountant will argue guys pick up RSAs we are getting by fine we don't need extra headcount we can maximize the schedules and we have very little attrition so there is no problem.....until it all falls apart like the mx budget cuts. You can be in a stall for awhile but there becomes a point where you can't recover. |
Originally Posted by Otterbox
(Post 2375752)
Luckily the folks at JetBlue are in a somewhat better position time off and Money wise than many other places in the industry to make those types of commitments.
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Yeah, wtf??
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Originally Posted by atrdriver
(Post 2375773)
That's news to me :eek:
It's a matter of prospective. If those other folk can invest time and money into the pursuit of a career at an airline with better pay, work rules and retirement benefits so can someone at Jetblue. If they don't it's a matter of complacency. Let's face it, if you're not actively trying to get on with a better job, you're happy enough where you are. Management knows this and will exploit it to the maximum extent they can, by stringing the group along making minimal progress on a CBA until they run out of ways to optimize pilot productivity per dollar and they start feeling the strain. JetBlue only has to keep the pilot group happy enough to staff flights and prevent a mass exodus. Judging by how often someone says they're "waiting to see how the new CBA turns out..." they're succeeding in their goals. |
Originally Posted by Otterbox
(Post 2375801)
Let's face it, if you're not actively trying to get on with a better job, you're happy enough where you are. If you're not actively trying to find a bigger house you're happy with the one you have. If you're not actively trying to move to a different state you're happy with the one you have. Objection your honor: calls for speculation. |
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