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Rmk1991 06-07-2021 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by bacca9 (Post 3245530)
Your friends must be very senior. I worked at an LCC for four years and mostly only had 9 or 10 days off a month that weren’t touched by flying or commuting unless I used PTO. The most I ever credited in a non-vacation month was 87 hours. For junior guys, almost no trips were commutable on both ends and they were rarely scheduled to exceed min credit.

LCC guy here. The most junior line holder in my base. 102 hours of credit with 13 days off no vacation. Normal schedule is about 85 hours and 14-15 days off and every trip is commutable on at least one end. If I had any more seniority I'd get far better trips and the days off would go up. Last month was 57 hours but 21 days off, no vacation, sick, pto, etc. Happened to come here to see what was going on CBA related as I have many friends over here. Figured I'd give some background on the LCC thing. Best of luck with the new contract. Y'all deserve it!

Zudd 06-08-2021 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by C17B74 (Post 3246886)
Yup, Majors, LCC are great for planning a very lucrative future and stability as best you can in one of the most unsure industries in the world. Young, planning for a real family it’s time to work for a living and most flying isn’t work comparably speaking of course. ACMI is not for everyone by any means but it offers so much dependent on what you enjoy in life. If you just go by numbers $$$ etc it totally makes sense looking at other outfits from the outside. Slave to youngsters at home, elderly needs, in-law needs, spouse requirements/strength/independence (inability to function on their own) ACMI will not bode well for you especially if that’s your jam so it’s not recommended. If you have a superior other half and/or support system you can do your job effectively and efficiently; therefore, ACMI flying is quite the opposite of mundane point to point rinse repeat every few hours, every day, every other week and you get well paid for it. It’s not all roses by any means, but many of us get our travel done well before 65 when venturing out won’t be that easy and on your dime and time. I have family in Europe and the Far East so there’s one caveat. Speaking for myself I truly enjoy going to so-called “work”, having breakfast with friends in Korea, dining with our folks and FedEx/Brown buds in Japan, chilling with fairly senior buds from the Majors at Dukes in Hawaii (they hate it, same carousel runs, but it’s fun to see them), chilling at our favorite eat sites in Hong Kong (not for awhile now), hanging out on the beach in Australia or even killing time with the crews favorite beverages wherever and so many other places. ALL PRE-PANDEMONIUM!!! Just for myself, it’s free travel with friends and 2 weeks of vacation at the house with my favorite person and our(her) dog. Time zones, long blocks of time away, $, retirement, there are always issues wherever you are dependent on your priorities. I planned my retirement, have no planes, Ferrari’s, ex-wives (so far;), extended family anchors, etc. Day 9 at home typing this, 7 more before I leave for 16 days (it’s not always this nice) but 14 is my norm chilling at home with some housework. This really is the “I would quit my job, but I would lose all my rest/travel/authentic food benefits, etc.” for me specifically. Hotel manager gave me a tour 2 weeks ago of the ball room where the Nuremberg Judges ate/drank/were merry all night long during the trials. It’s been amazing and I will continue as long as it or I last.

Not sure why, but I really liked this post. Goes to show you that everybody is different, and everybody needs different things. You sir, seem very happy and I applaud that! Money isn't everything...

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C17B74 06-08-2021 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by Zudd (Post 3247300)
Not sure why, but I really liked this post. Goes to show you that everybody is different, and everybody needs different things. You sir, seem very happy and I applaud that! Money isn't everything...

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You are correct, I am doing very well and happy with this lifestyle. Plus and minuses with everything. It just works extremely well for me and I don’t have my head in the sand I promise, it could definitely be better. I think the major gripe is: ACMI could be the best place/carrier hands down but it’s doubtful it will ever rise to meet everyone’s expectations. Overall, I truly wish everyone the best in finding their “happy place” as it’s quite specific for a lot of us. Thx Zudd.

MoarAlpha 06-09-2021 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Zudd (Post 3247300)
Not sure why, but I really liked this post. Goes to show you that everybody is different, and everybody needs different things. You sir, seem very happy and I applaud that! Money isn't everything...

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The money is still good. My second year I made $187k on my W-2. I did 6 days of OT over the year.

Third year will be about the same but will less work. With this new Jepp scheduling software I’m holding 15 day lines and I’m not even that senior. I might make a little more than second year with no OT.

Just like you said, everyone has different strokes that work for them. I myself am like the poster you commented on. My wife is very independent and has her own career. We have no kids. She can work her schedule around mine and I can confidently say we get enough time at home together that when my 14-16 days a months are up I’m ready to go back to work! If any of my situation was different, I could totally see why people would want a more traditional schedule.

I absolutely love it here. I do have my apps out at Brown and Purple simply for financial reasons, but nowhere else and I have a lot of time left in my career. I’ll know when I turn 65 if that was the right choice.

C17B74 06-09-2021 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by MoarAlpha (Post 3247638)
I’ll know when I turn 65 if that was the right choice.

^^^^^^^^^^Exactly^^^^^^^^^^
Searching for - Paid Well and had a helluva time doing it. Looking back will truly be the final answer.

tommy2times 06-11-2021 08:20 PM

The money is still good. My second year I made $187k on my W-2. I did 6 days of OT over the year.

How did you make an impressive $187k second year? If so Kalitta is one of the top 5 paid airlines around.
Money talks and if that's the case I am putting an application in.

C2078 06-11-2021 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by MoarAlpha (Post 3247638)
The money is still good. My second year I made $187k on my W-2. I did 6 days of OT over the year.

Third year will be about the same but will less work. With this new Jepp scheduling software I’m holding 15 day lines and I’m not even that senior. I might make a little more than second year with no OT.

Just like you said, everyone has different strokes that work for them. I myself am like the poster you commented on. My wife is very independent and has her own career. We have no kids. She can work her schedule around mine and I can confidently say we get enough time at home together that when my 14-16 days a months are up I’m ready to go back to work! If any of my situation was different, I could totally see why people would want a more traditional schedule.

I absolutely love it here. I do have my apps out at Brown and Purple simply for financial reasons, but nowhere else and I have a lot of time left in my career. I’ll know when I turn 65 if that was the right choice.

1375 hours of credit, obviously Per Diem doesn’t count. I guess doable 🤔

maxjet 06-12-2021 04:34 AM


Originally Posted by C2078 (Post 3248807)
1375 hours of credit, obviously Per Diem doesn’t count. I guess doable 🤔

Probably counting perdiem, which is 12,000+. You really don’t use much perdiem when you are on the road during normal times. Hotels always had nice breakfasts and food is pretty cheap. There are also some soft credits for hazardous areas. When I was there I saw some Pilots bid lines that they knew would be double crews and probably have IOE on them. Internationally, the student doesn’t count. Because they were just an extra body they got lots of sleep in the bunks. Called dozing for dollars.

goinaround 06-12-2021 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by tommy2times (Post 3248803)
The money is still good. My second year I made $187k on my W-2. I did 6 days of OT over the year.

How did you make an impressive $187k second year? If so Kalitta is one of the top 5 paid airlines around.
Money talks and if that's the case I am putting an application in.

I do about 90 hrs credit a month average not working OT or selling vacation. My FO rate is about $156/hr (3rd yr) Thats about $170k/yr not including per diem. I’m guessing it is very easy to credit those same hours and more at most cargo operators right now and into the future. Long haul at least. Lots of FOs cracking $200k.

gollum 06-12-2021 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by maxjet (Post 3248861)
Probably counting perdiem, which is 12,000+. You really don’t use much perdiem when you are on the road during normal times. Hotels always had nice breakfasts and food is pretty cheap. There are also some soft credits for hazardous areas. When I was there I saw some Pilots bid lines that they knew would be double crews and probably have IOE on them. Internationally, the student doesn’t count. Because they were just an extra body they got lots of sleep in the bunks. Called dozing for dollars.

He said “on his w-2 “ which per diem would not be included as income.


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