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Joachim 06-12-2021 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by C2078 (Post 3248807)
1375 hours of credit, obviously Per Diem doesn’t count. I guess doable 🤔

Some guys have done over 200 hours of credit in a month. Second year is 130/hr.

Lockheed 06-12-2021 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by tommy2times (Post 3248803)
The money is still good. My second year I made $187k on my W-2. I did 6 days of OT over the year.

How did you make an impressive $187k second year? If so Kalitta is one of the top 5 paid airlines around.
Money talks and if that's the case I am putting an application in.

It has amazed me the last 5 years how guys that dont work here refuse to believe how much we make...you are totally correct when you say that we are one of the highest paid pilot groups in the industry

As a junior to mid level 400 CA from 2016-2020 I always credited over 1000 hrs per year...making between 275 and 300 each year...with zero OT

now as a fairly senior 777 CA I credit between 90 and 125 hrs per month at 11th yr pay of 287/hr...I do some OT these days, but on a 13 day line, that works nice...want to break 350 this year..we'll see

people seem to not know or forget that we

get paid 4 hrs for reserve...and they have to put you on reserve many times for only a few hrs

get paid to commute back and forth to our homes

get paid to deadhead

get paid 150% for OT

ZERO forced OT...no extension possible
you say "send me home" and they do

the guys on the 747 are making bank with all the China flying..from the most junior to the most senior....ya it won't last, but something else will come along

Lockheed 06-12-2021 01:57 PM

and by bank I mean 150+ credit, month in month out..do the math on that...like having 2 or 3 acmi pay checks at the some of the other acmi's

midwest1992 06-12-2021 02:54 PM

Pay/Credit
 
I second Lockheed’s post

Lockheed 06-12-2021 03:06 PM

oh....and all fleets 747, 777, 767 pay the same hourly rate!!...

and our lines have credit value....many above 90 hrs..OT is on top of line credit value

nitefr8dog 06-12-2021 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by Lockheed (Post 3249109)
It has amazed me the last 5 years how guys that dont work here refuse to believe how much we make...you are totally correct when you say that we are one of the highest paid pilot groups in the industry

As a junior to mid level 400 CA from 2016-2020 I always credited over 1000 hrs per year...making between 275 and 300 each year...with zero OT

now as a fairly senior 777 CA I credit between 90 and 125 hrs per month at 11th yr pay of 287/hr...I do some OT these days, but on a 13 day line, that works nice...want to break 350 this year..we'll see

people seem to not know or forget that we

get paid 4 hrs for reserve...and they have to put you on reserve many times for only a few hrs

get paid to commute back and forth to our homes

get paid to deadhead

get paid 150% for OT

ZERO forced OT...no extension possible
you say "send me home" and they do

the guys on the 747 are making bank with all the China flying..from the most junior to the most senior....ya it won't last, but something else will come along

Sure better than the the 20 yrs before 2016...it was a long time coming.

Lockheed 06-12-2021 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 3249200)
Sure better than the the 20 yrs before 2016...it was a long time coming.

you sure got that right!!

Joachim 06-13-2021 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by Lockheed (Post 3249109)
It has amazed me the last 5 years how guys that dont work here refuse to believe how much we make...you are totally correct when you say that we are one of the highest paid pilot groups in the industry

As a junior to mid level 400 CA from 2016-2020 I always credited over 1000 hrs per year...making between 275 and 300 each year...with zero OT

now as a fairly senior 777 CA I credit between 90 and 125 hrs per month at 11th yr pay of 287/hr...I do some OT these days, but on a 13 day line, that works nice...want to break 350 this year..we'll see

people seem to not know or forget that we

get paid 4 hrs for reserve...and they have to put you on reserve many times for only a few hrs

get paid to commute back and forth to our homes

get paid to deadhead

get paid 150% for OT

ZERO forced OT...no extension possible
you say "send me home" and they do

the guys on the 747 are making bank with all the China flying..from the most junior to the most senior....ya it won't last, but something else will come along

You are well paid for sure. What some guys at Kalitta may not realize is that there are places where you can make more still with more days off. Kalitta pay is on par with Spirit/Jetblue and legacy narrow body. The difference is that at K4 you have to work for your 350K, at an LCC you game the system for 350k and spend alot of time on the app, and at some legacies that is min guarantee.

You guys do have one of the coolest aviation gigs around though. Having worked in the above categories and then a few K4 was definitely the most interesting.

maxjet 06-13-2021 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by gollum (Post 3249085)
He said “on his w-2 “ which per diem would not be included as income.

On the W2 it is listed on all 3 columns as gross pay. It does the deduction for non taxable as you go to the bottom of the column. For example in 2019 I grossed 352,000.00. I paid fed. Tax on 313,000.00.

Never really understood why people didn’t consider perdiem as compensation. It is higher value money because there is no tax.

nitefr8dog 06-13-2021 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by maxjet (Post 3249351)
On the W2 it is listed on all 3 columns as gross pay. It does the deduction for non taxable as you go to the bottom of the column. For example in 2019 I grossed 352,000.00. I paid fed. Tax on 313,000.00.

Never really understood why people didn’t consider perdiem as compensation. It is higher value money because there is no tax.

Maybe because most of it is not considered income and if you like to enjoy the traveling lifestyle you get out and spend it. We had some old guys who did consider it compensation and did not spend it. They spent their whole career living in hotel rooms on 4 day layovers and eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and making Ramen noodles in the coffee pot. I prefer to use it as intended and what it was negotiated for.


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