Training Questions
#11
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I'm in 777 initial training now. I was previously flying 747's. I just completed the SKV, the oral systems knowledge check. It's a 1 on 1 & lasts about 90 minutes.
Think of AQP like gates you have to go through. It was developed after statistics showed a better way to train pilots while also reducing failure rates. When you go through all the gates, they simply hand you your temporary certificate w a type rating.
IDK what the failure rate for IOE is but, as a marker, they expect you to be done w OE in 75 block hours or less or approximately 50% of your scheduled training time. It sounds like a lot, but isn't really. One rotation from LA to Sydney, Singapore, Hong Kong, Nagoya, Japan & finishing in Cincinnati will use up some 43 hours of that.
Some extra time is built into the training program to accommodate those that may need it. One extra sim session, typically. They have no problem booting you if you are not prepared, either during initial or upgrade training. A good portion of upgrade candidates don't upgrade either. It's not just flying, but also not knowing how to use the box.
I can't give a training comparison between the two types since I was trained at brand "X" in the 74. I can tell you the training here in the 777 is very good.
Without a doubt, the 777 is far more user friendly.: Intuitive electronic checklists, auto-trim with turns, rudder assist with engine failures, etc. Far less overhead buttons & only half the number of engines. Far fewer fuel tanks. A two position gear lever instead of three on the 74. Even APU power transfers automatically whereas, on the 74, you have to do it manually yourself. A lot of triple seven pilots, who go into the 74, mess up APU power transfers because they never had to think about it before......
Great atmosphere in the training department. Curiously, most of the instructors are FO's but they are all very knowledgeable.
When you commence simulator training, you will be graded on a scale from 1 to 4. I hope this helps.
HD
Think of AQP like gates you have to go through. It was developed after statistics showed a better way to train pilots while also reducing failure rates. When you go through all the gates, they simply hand you your temporary certificate w a type rating.
IDK what the failure rate for IOE is but, as a marker, they expect you to be done w OE in 75 block hours or less or approximately 50% of your scheduled training time. It sounds like a lot, but isn't really. One rotation from LA to Sydney, Singapore, Hong Kong, Nagoya, Japan & finishing in Cincinnati will use up some 43 hours of that.
Some extra time is built into the training program to accommodate those that may need it. One extra sim session, typically. They have no problem booting you if you are not prepared, either during initial or upgrade training. A good portion of upgrade candidates don't upgrade either. It's not just flying, but also not knowing how to use the box.
I can't give a training comparison between the two types since I was trained at brand "X" in the 74. I can tell you the training here in the 777 is very good.
Without a doubt, the 777 is far more user friendly.: Intuitive electronic checklists, auto-trim with turns, rudder assist with engine failures, etc. Far less overhead buttons & only half the number of engines. Far fewer fuel tanks. A two position gear lever instead of three on the 74. Even APU power transfers automatically whereas, on the 74, you have to do it manually yourself. A lot of triple seven pilots, who go into the 74, mess up APU power transfers because they never had to think about it before......
Great atmosphere in the training department. Curiously, most of the instructors are FO's but they are all very knowledgeable.
When you commence simulator training, you will be graded on a scale from 1 to 4. I hope this helps.
HD
That is excellent information. Thank you so much for that detailed response.
#12
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Joined APC: Nov 2023
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There are some people I know that took 2 goes to get thru sim training, they dont want you to fail. They do go the extra mile normally to help you pass and give many extra hours in the sim if needed or put you with a line pilot to hold your hand thru the sims if needed (there is always one of us who has hit high time and cant fly the line) .
There is also the option if you are marginal at passing the final gates and being put on OPT, which means a 6 month sim check instead of the normal 12 mth. Once you show them you have attained the standard you are put on the normal 12 mth sim checks ..or CQ sessions.
There is also the option if you are marginal at passing the final gates and being put on OPT, which means a 6 month sim check instead of the normal 12 mth. Once you show them you have attained the standard you are put on the normal 12 mth sim checks ..or CQ sessions.
#15
Generally quiet in December and early January. Looking at your screen name I heard we are maxed on our Australian / E visa quota so that could be a negative factor.
#16
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 744 CA
Posts: 4,772
The training has changed greatly over the years. Much more student centered with plenty of training going on versus the old "checking" mentality. The vast majority of the instructors are very good and want you to succed. Yes, we own two 747 simulators and one 777 sim all in our training center in YIP. Come prepared and willing to learn and you will do fine. Show up expecting to have your hand held thru training and you might things more of a Challenge. Good luck.
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