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Old 10-19-2015, 11:00 AM
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If you are younger than 50 I would say go get a job elsewhere. If you are older than 50 and you have several DUI's and you are an ex-con in other words you have no chances to get a job elsewhere then apply for Kalitta but sorry I bet you will regret. That's just my $0.02
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Old 10-19-2015, 07:33 PM
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What's a junior FO's schedule looking like? Worked to the bone every day on reserve and extended into days off? Or a lot of sitting? Is it reasonable to get 15 days at home per month?

I have a friend that's a junior FO over at Southern. He seems to be getting a decent amount of time of and spends a good amount of his reserve time sitting. Granted there are issues over there also, I'm just wondering how it compares?

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Old 10-20-2015, 08:57 AM
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What's a junior FO's schedule looking like? Worked to the bone every day on reserve and extended into days off? Or a lot of sitting? Is it reasonable to get 15 days at home per month?

I have a friend that's a junior FO over at Southern. He seems to be getting a decent amount of time of and spends a good amount of his reserve time sitting. Granted there are issues over there also, I'm just wondering how it compares?

Thanks.
It doesn't work that way at K4. The good news? They cannot extend you or junior assign you. The bad news? The only control you have over your schedule is your days off. You bid a line that almost 99.9% of the time never work other than the first day. Days off will not be more than 12, 13, or 14 off in a month depending on how many days in the particular month. Think of it as, they own your ass for 17 days a month and not one more unless you agree. Guys that get stuck out on the road into days off usually caused it themselves by not being proactive in enforcing the contract. You can legally turn down a trip if it results in no way for you to get home on days on. Don't know if I want to try it as I have small balls, but you can do it. Hope that helps. ACMI flying is not like any other type of scheduling.
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Old 10-20-2015, 10:30 AM
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It doesn't work that way at K4. The good news? They cannot extend you or junior assign you. The bad news? The only control you have over your schedule is your days off. You bid a line that almost 99.9% of the time never work other than the first day. Days off will not be more than 12, 13, or 14 off in a month depending on how many days in the particular month. Think of it as, they own your ass for 17 days a month and not one more unless you agree. Guys that get stuck out on the road into days off usually caused it themselves by not being proactive in enforcing the contract. You can legally turn down a trip if it results in no way for you to get home on days on. Don't know if I want to try it as I have small balls, but you can do it. Hope that helps. ACMI flying is not like any other type of scheduling.
Cool, I understand. Sounds like you guys are short-staffed then. FWIW K4 sounds like a lot of drama and headaches, I applied before but I think I'll stop updating and wait til you get a contract.

It's a shame, the flying looks awesome, but all the drama in the training dept. and bitterness against the company doesn't sound great.

Thanks for the info.
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Old 10-20-2015, 12:38 PM
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It doesn't work that way at K4. The good news? They cannot extend you or junior assign you. The bad news? The only control you have over your schedule is your days off. You bid a line that almost 99.9% of the time never work other than the first day. Days off will not be more than 12, 13, or 14 off in a month depending on how many days in the particular month. Think of it as, they own your ass for 17 days a month and not one more unless you agree. Guys that get stuck out on the road into days off usually caused it themselves by not being proactive in enforcing the contract. You can legally turn down a trip if it results in no way for you to get home on days on. Don't know if I want to try it as I have small balls, but you can do it. Hope that helps. ACMI flying is not like any other type of scheduling.
Really? You wont make the company abide by the contract? I did it all the time....simply ask the scheduler how you will be getting home by 19z on a certain date. When they say they dont know, tell them to figure it out. Usually bobblehead gets involved with some sob story, but just be polite and inform them that you need to have a plan to be home by your contractual time.
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Old 10-20-2015, 04:15 PM
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Me too, when I was there I started reminding them about 5 days out, they once had to buy me a ticket on United, Bahrain- Kuwait City- Dulles-DTW, but I was home by sunset that last day,( and a zombie for the next 2 days)
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Old 10-20-2015, 04:46 PM
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Me too, when I was there I started reminding them about 5 days out, they once had to buy me a ticket on United, Bahrain- Kuwait City- Dulles-DTW, but I was home by sunset that last day,( and a zombie for the next 2 days)
I have never run into this issue. I always am proactive about when I need to be home.
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Old 10-23-2015, 04:30 PM
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looks like a strike vote is imminent.
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Old 10-24-2015, 09:48 AM
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looks like a strike vote is imminent.
Hopefully more than 60% will vote this time.
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I was so excited to be getting out of an RJ when I was hired there and supposed to start class back in January 2012, but it sounds like I should be counting my blessings that my class got cancelled. Good luck to you guys there. I hope you guys get the cba improvements that you rightfully deserve.
I just think it's funny to go back and read stuff like this. If only there was a crystal ball we could glance in every once in awhile. This guy would have been making bank in the left seat right now!! What is considered a real **** hole by some on a Tuesday can turn into the Taj Mahal by Thursday. Lol
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