Lemme guess....Cliffy?

Been looking at K4 for awhile now and I've considered applying depending upon this TA.

Heard there was language allowing for home basing anywhere in the world and business class tickets on DH? Can someone clarify that?

As for the hostile areas, I agree. That shouldn't be decided by the company, but probably by the state department website, especially if you are working a government contract. I spent a fair amount of time in some of those places, just look at the uplift for certain companies in Africa or the Middle East that technically aren't in the middle of a war.

Thanks in advance.

Your "Resident Airport" is defined as an airport located within the 48 contiguous states. The RA for Alaska is defined as ANC and the RA for Hawaii is defined as HNL. Pretty sure if you want to live in another country, you're on your own to get yourself to those airports for your company-provided travel. However, the company has historically provided some travel to some crews living overseas from other places, IF it was convenient to the company. That doesn't mean the trend will continue.

For business class DH, the company will provide business class or better for any flight segment scheduled to exceed 3 hours flight time, provided it departs from or arrives at an OCONUS location. So if you live in, say, Dallas, and you need to get to ANC, your ticket from DFW-ORD might be in coach but your ORD-ANC leg will be business class (or first, since there is no business class "domestically"). There is also an option for the crewmember to decline the business class travel and take some cash instead ($250 or $500, depending on the length).

I couldn't see the company ever agreeing to your State Department idea, whether that might be a good idea or not. Just glancing at the State website, there are travel warnings for the Philippines, Haiti, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and many other places. In this line of business we would be making hostile area pay for almost every place we go, and that would be a deal-breaker for the company.

Piggy backing on this... Our language at Atlas is virtually identical and we attempted to argue that if the military deems the area to be Tax Free/Hostile Fire that it should automatically be Hostile for Atlas. We lost. I'm sure Kalitta will get Iraq and Afghanistan with that language but I wouldn't trust Connie as far as I could throw him for anywhere else.

Thanks for the heads up about the travel situation and good luck, I'll be keeping a close eye on what is going on over there.

The key though on the second part is the % uplift, not travel warnings. My company for example works government and private contracts (we are not 121). The government contracts follow the state department recommendations, which is already allotted for in the contract when it is written and should be paid for by the government anyways. I never understood why that rule doesn't seem to apply to the 121 supplemental as it does do the PT 91 and 135 operators like MAG-D, Berry, and L3. Our commercial contracts abroad just pay our standard overseas rate and carry tax advantages with no uplift.

But again, sorry I didn't clarify earlier. I'm just spit balling here and pointing out what government contracts pay abroad. Philippines and Saudi, actually don't have a danger or hazard % uplift at all, only hardship differential (which you wouldn't qualify since you are only there for a few days.) Haiti and Mexico have a 15% uplift. To be honest Mindanao (the southernmost major island of PH) probably should, though I don't think any of the strips on that island can handle a 747 anyways. Just to give you more examples of the places K4 might commonly flies too, UAE, UK, France, Bahrain, and HKG all of which have zero uplift.


Here is the website.

https://aoprals.state.gov/web920/loc...asp?menu_id=95

Thanks again.

Sure, this TA doesn't benefit the Atlas pilots but it doesn't benefit the Kalitta pilots either. Those of us making negative remarks about the TA do not live in a vacuum. Please compare the details of your TA with the CBAs of American, Delta, United, FedEx, UPS, and Southwest. This is the TA grading standard that the Kalitta pilots should be using and it will be the grading standard that the Atlas pilots will be using on their own TA, when that time comes.

The only reason a pilot group's CBA is sub-standard at this point is because they allow it to be (this statement not only applies to Kalitta, but Atlas as well).

Lots of talk about Atlas vs Kalitta, talk about hazardous areas definition, but NO discussion on compensation, health insurance, vacation, etc. Why is the meat of the issue not being discussed?

Perhaps we think that instead of DW and a couple of his minions deciding whats best for the K4 crews, its best that we decide that for ourselves, without interference from the party central committee. Its called freedom. Since you brought it up, how much shoe leather did YOU wear out walking the line with the ABX crews this week? Did you see any K4 pilots crossing a picket line? Simply put, we want the right to self determination. I will say it again since you and a couple others seem to be engaging in campaign to sabotage the vote on our TA, if you don't eat at our table, if you don't work on our property, you dont have the right to determine how we will vote nor live. Since doing that, since thwarting the will of those who's lives and families are affected to benefit the agenda of yourself and several others is even more "wrong and disgusting" Have you noticed that a large majority of us have our middle finger raised to those few of you involved in this?

Check the posts on the Kalitta hiring thread around August 27-28th. Someone posted the pay scales then and they should be the ones that ended up in the TA.

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