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Originally Posted by Learflyer
(Post 426234)
I don't think we are delusional. I had the same attitude as you when I was 27. I'm 36 now, and have been in the industry since 21. I won't lie to you. I think about getting back into flying for a living EVERYDAY. However, i'm never able to pull the trigger, because the reality of it all scares me.
Now, on to something more important...........Is Arthur's Steak House still open in Hoboken? Go get a Filet, and a blue cheese crumbled wedge for me will ya?:) |
Originally Posted by de727ups
(Post 425094)
I'm one of those seemingly nonexistant guys who has found happiness in the aviation career.
Honestly, I think it's great that you have a such a great job. That's not even close to a fair comparison. I don't think you need me to tell you that 99.98% of us would KILL to be in your position. Well, that's the problem.. how many of us are there for how many positions available at those UPS (Fedex, Southwest and Netjets)? No matter how much they want it or how hard they try, it's just not going to happen for the vast majority of pilots. that's part of my problem.. I wish I could know that someday, my hard work and 15 hour days at the very crappy regional will pay off and I will make it to a good company, be it a major or fractional, whatever. But now I know the probability of that happening is just very slim.. and then I have to ask myself, is this life worth it? Do I love flying enough to work 15 hour days, earning 3000 a month for the rest of my life? |
Guys, if my memory serves me correct De727ups was turned down at two airlines before he got on with UPS, and at the Time I am not sure thaty UPS was nearly as desirable as it is now. Chance and timing has more to do with this industry then anything.......
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
(Post 426014)
wow, you guys are delusional. Do you guys think you can opt out of aviation and go be a nurse, or a real estate agent and boom a year later you make $100,000.00/year? Get real! our economy is garbage, we have become a country of lazy self-entitled cry babies. I have no doubt I can make more money doing sales, I am personable and I am pretty good at manipulating people, but I actually like what I do (good and bad). The problem is commuting and working for a sh*t company. I know I will never have it as good as I have it now (especially in the fall when the furloughs come), but grossing 50k as a 2nd year F/O, weekends off and 17 days off total is AMAZING. Have fun with he spreadsheets, or the numerous amount of phone calls for stupid work-related stuff.
It is amazing to me that some of you are calling it quits after only such a short time in the industry. Stop crying, grow some balls and be an adult about it. IF you thought you would hold CA at a regional after 2 years then be left seat at FedEx or CAL a year after that. you are more naive then the people that think the are paying too much for an airline ticket. The amount of crying I am starting to see is a clear indication of that whole "self-entitlement" problem. If you have a family, no doubt they come first you need to keep those relationships strong and put food on the table, do whats right for your family first. I am 27 poor (although $50,000.00/yr puts me above the national average), and it makes me somewhat bitter that my delinquent friends make a lot of money and own houses, but I don't want to do what they do, and I don't envy their careers, maybe get slightly jealous of their financial situation. The industry is terrible and I think this time around the cuts will be deeper and longer then 9/11 (pending any crazy drop in fuel). Anyway enough of my ramblings, but I want to leave you guys with some food for thought......... Pick which company (airline) you want to work for very very carefully, most importantly keep your commute easy if you must commute and work for a company that has great work rules. Life here at XJT is a world away from my time at Colgan. Yes I would have PIC turbine time by now but I would not have lasted that long. I feel for those who are stuck at places like MESA where they treat you like a slave.......... You're right-Assuming you have a college degree already-you'd need 2 years of clinicals and 1 year experience-then you'd be over $100k as a RN in 3 years. Where will you be in 3 years? |
I actually took a voluntary furlough a few years back only to get an official furlough 2 months later......rough times. I called many friends and made contacts outside aviation and actually got a job at an engineering firm.....little company called Hamilton Sundstrand. Anyone ever heard of it?
I moved on from there to Pratt and Whitney working as an engineer. As one of the previous posts mentioned, I too only have an aeronautical science degree. No engineering experience to speak of except what I learned on the job. I believe that any one can owrk in any industry. Just takes some imagination to come up with "soft" skills. Also takes a bit of being able to sell yourself and maybe a bit of luck. I miss the flying. There is not a day that goes by where I don't think about. Would I go back? Maybe if the right offer came in.....so far it hasn't. Still get my kicks doing the CFI thing. Later. |
Originally Posted by TonyMontana
(Post 426494)
You're right-Assuming you have a college degree already-you'd need 2 years of clinicals and 1 year experience-then you'd be over $100k as a RN in 3 years. Where will you be in 3 years?
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
(Post 426520)
Why lie about it? My G/F has 3 friends who are RN's, who have been for the past few years and they make no where near $100,000.00, and they work in the NY Metro area
Lie about it? Here's the link again-you may want to pass it along to your girlfriends supposed 3 friends. www.faststaff.com The figures you see under each respective state represent after tax take home pay. I am also on the board at the facility where I practice, so I know EXACTLY what these nurses make each week. There are thousands of others. Do your homework son, before you open your mouth and get embarrased |
"But now I know the probability of that happening is just very slim.. and then I have to ask myself, is this life worth it? Do I love flying enough to work 15 hour days, earning 3000 a month for the rest of my life?"
Maybe you should get out, then. There are about 13,000 pilots between SWA, FEDEX, and UPS. Retirements will come up one day and somebody will get my job. Tough times, like we see today, and have seen before, weed out those who don't feel it's worth sticking with. It's no big thing if you decide to walk. There will be others who find the career worth while and will be happy with it. Skyhigh was right. Not everyone is meant for the career. |
"Chance and timing has more to do with this industry then anything......."
Yeah, not that there is anything wrong with that. It's a crapshoot just like many careers. After 9/11 the hits on the legacy contracts made Fedex and UPS top dawg by default. In the old days, legacy guys laughed at SWA for their inferior contracts. Not laughing now, for the most part... It's just impossible to predict an outcome at the beginning of a flying career. If you want guarantees of a high dollar job, perhaps it would be wise to steer clear of aviation for something else. Love to hear what the "else's" turn out to be, though. |
Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
(Post 426373)
Guys, if my memory serves me correct De727ups was turned down at two airlines before he got on with UPS, and at the Time I am not sure thaty UPS was nearly as desirable as it is now. Chance and timing has more to do with this industry then anything.......
and you're right, I think more than ever that luck has so much do with it.. if he had gotten hired by and chosen a passenger airline instead when those were considered more "elite," let's say US Air for example.. I couldn't imagine that he'd be too happy right now.. or for the past 10 years. I jumpseated on a Us Air flight once.. the (very bitter captain) captain told me he was offered jobs with both Fedex and Us Air at the same time.. of course he took US Air, for all the reasons why pilots chose pax airlines jobs over cargo jobs in the 80s. Now, that is the biggest regret of his life. but how could he have known? |
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